How long do you think will it Google take, to see that they made a stupid mistake and re-open (or buy into) another...
How long do you think will it Google take, to see that they made a stupid mistake and re-open (or buy into) another social network?
Google doesn't tend to go backward.
ReplyDeleteGoogle doesn't learn from its mistakes.
ReplyDeleteI think the end of G+ anticipates the end of social networks as we've known them over the last 15 years. And I think there's merit to Warren's proposal of this week that the big players must be chopped up to pieces, so in that picture it's just that Google won't be. Something will succeed, of course.
ReplyDeleteWell, it was free and they didn't put any hard obligations on their users.
ReplyDeleteI hate Facebook, and I like G+.
I'm grateful that I could use G+.
If you have money and you can keep the service alive and you are not going to make a dumb robots from your users - then go ahead.
Boris Borcic Well, regarding the end of social networks as we've known them - what would you think is next? Regarding chopping up big players, I'm all for it (and probably right on FBs watchlist!?)...
ReplyDeleteGoogle is pretty good at dismantling itself without the assistance of antitrust agencies. Nonetheless, Alphabet appears a bit clumsy these days. It could use a trimming.
ReplyDeleteGoogle took a long time to get G+ to this point, doubt they're tearing it down to rebuild the same thing. So if they're looking for a new social platform, this ain't it.
ReplyDeleteIMHO G+ (and its demise) was mostly a product of internal Google politics...
ReplyDeleteWait for Google I/O 2019 any they will release another 5 messenger/social apps
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Dran Fren wrote: what would you think is next?
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I don't credit Google with a whole lot of "mindfulness" about "social" anything. Clearly for them "user experience" is just something to monetize in a suite. Sad.
ReplyDeleteI think social networks in general are going away. Between annoying advertisers (at least G+ avoided that), spammers, antivaxxers, Russian sock puppets, porn, and your general everyday trolls, I’m not sure that they have much value any more.
ReplyDeleteIt's not like they're shutting down G+ completely; they're merely repurposing it for a more narrow, paying, audience of enterprise customers.
ReplyDeleteThey've used the free consumer base to develop a product, learn lessons and beta test it, and now they are applying it to their primary client base, enterprises.
I think they will create something more marketing/advertising driven, with much tighter restrictions on people like myself.
ReplyDeleteI won't be there, of course.
Filip H.F. Slagter "They've used the free consumer base to develop a product, learn lessons and beta test it, and now they are applying it to their primary client base, enterprises." - Methinks you've skipped a step before the last part - like killing off a whole living community of those "consumers" without regard for all they are have done for them all along the way.
ReplyDeleteMichael Fenichel with Google that is implied. ;)
ReplyDeleteI believe that they will try it again, but whatever they do, I do not think that they can recreate what Google+ has been. That is because Google+ is us, the people who have been here, and I don't know about you all, but I am certain that I am not coming back to try another beta of another social network made by Google.
ReplyDeleteOf course it's not unlikely they'll try again, as G+ wasn't their first foray into social networking either. Orkut, Dodgeball, Latitude, Buzz, are just some of Google's other failed attempts at some form of social networking.
ReplyDeleteThough with the currently market already being rather saturated, I don't think it's likely they'll try again. Not unless Facebook plummets.
Filip H.F. Slagter Wave.
ReplyDeleteThis is a discussion I'd prefer to have elsewhere.
Filip H.F. Slagter And if you look around, it will mostly be used by those in the intimate pleasure trades. Check out some of the posts with scantily dressed females and occasional porn. No car sellers, no real estate or furniture, just cheap molls.
ReplyDeleteI'm curious how evolving OpenBook
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I'll say 5 for the simple fact never say never.
ReplyDeleteAs well, technologies change, as do leaders.
There may come a time when it becomes advantageous to roll out some future endeavor that includes/combines with a social network
Google is already making maximum money from you via their other products and don't need G+ to bolster their revenue stream. I think the innovative G+ members will come up with something from necessity that is federated which corporations can't take away. The momentum needs to build enough for corporations to want to participate in it.
ReplyDeleteGoogle is not shutting off G+ completely - it used all of us as free labor to develop an improved version available to paying GSuite users.
ReplyDeleteGoogle does not make mistakes, so they will never admit they are making a mistake here...
ReplyDeleteShelenn Ayres $12/mo./user is not something that start-ups are going to be able to afford. After 2 or 3 employees, that begins to add up. The public aspect of G+ is something that benefited GSuite customers, too!
ReplyDeleteJeff Diver I don't disagree. I was simply stating the facts. Google (like many companies) used a community of users as a test bed for product development. Users got a free product and they got free labor. Now to say Google has not monetized G+ would be wrong because they sell and analyze user behavior for profit. They display 100% user generated content which is dynamic they did not have to pay for either.
ReplyDeleteI believe Google's decision is short sighted and flawed but that will not change their decision. We don't really know what the new G+ will look like, how it will function, and how GSuiters will be able to use it. I know GSuiters who have been using consumer G+ with their accounts for years. The decision by Google was driven simply to make more profit - not that they were not making/saving any profit.
Jeff Diver Then start with the $6/month/user G Suite Basic. Of course, $12/month for unlimited storage, Team Drives, e-mail, Groups, G+, and much, much more is a bargain for a startup, compared to setting up on site servers, offsite backups, etc., never mind the IT costs of configuring those servers and software and...
ReplyDeleteI can’t complain, as I’ve had the legacy free G Suite for more than a decade for several domains. I’m considering upgrading my primary personal domain to at least G Suite Basic, as I am finally getting close to using up my free storage allotment.
My prediction: there will not be another consumer-oriented all-encompassing Facebook-like social network from Google. They will continue to add social features to some of their other products in silos, but the products will exist for other purposes than purely social networking. They will never* try to integrate all the social features across all the products because they already tried that and failed.
ReplyDeleteMy other prediction: Facebook, following G+'s lead, is on the decline, which means even less emphasis on general social networking across the industry. Zuck essentially said so in this week's blog post. FB will also have multiple products with social features (messaging, photos, groups, etc.), but not integrated across them. The product we know as FB today will continue to exist but will be almost irrelevant in 5 years. None of the social networking wannabes like MeWe will rise beyond obscurity.
*until a new round of Google managers who don't remember the past decide what a great thing it would be to integrate all the social features across all the products.
All of social looks as broke as Pets dot com.
ReplyDeleteSomeone should tell the developers of all these 'social media' apps springing up on Google play that they'll never become another Zuckerberg.
ReplyDeleteFacebook could only become so big for do long. It was always going to go downhill at some point.
ReplyDeleteBrian Holt Hawthorne I am pleased to hear of your experience. I have yet to use many of the features of the $12/mo. option. Some, I don't even understand and many I do not (at present) need. The advice to sign up initially for the $6 service instead of the $12 service is sound.
ReplyDeleteJeff Diver Team Drives are a huge benefit for a startup. It is basically a Google Drive that is owned by the organization instead of a single user. Access control allows any set of users or groups to have read or write access, and the files exist irrespective of user accounts being created or deleted. We use them in our non-profit. The free G Suite for non-profits/education is in between Basic and Business. It has a limit on per-user storage like Basic, but includes Team Drives with unlimited storage like G Suite Business.
ReplyDeleteEven if the next trial was great, how many people would just hesitate to go there? I wouldn't, I slowly take measures to get away from other Google services as well.
ReplyDeleteShawn Andrew Nobody goes there any more. It's too crowded.
ReplyDeleteEdward Morbius So now I suppose we'll have to hear from "Nobody," Ed! ;-) I go there with some hope of building interest in the Earl J. Arnold Advertising Card Collection. Facebook has all the advantages as well as the disadvantages of being a monopoly. In some of the Groups, it also has a bit of the friendly exchange of G+. As a Blogger in search of viewers, I don't think it wise to ignore the 3 billion of us "Nobodies" on Facebook. Sometimes crowds can be made to serve your purposes.
ReplyDeleteI think there will be something pretty soon, but very lightweight, not a full "social network," and aimed at promoting and sharing content we create on Google platforms (youtube, blogger, etc.)
ReplyDeleteAdam Auster that makes sense. Basically they would "just" need to provide a stream for posts in Youtube.
ReplyDeletePast history, with buzz, and other incarnations or attempts of social media networks, have ended with failure. Google's approach doesn't work for the silo-centric mentality and design.
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