Notes from the (G+ and beyond) Field
For all 6 who may read this. ;) With 11 days on the shut-down clock.... quiet time
#1
First, I got a direct ("mandatory") email from Google+ today.
(Wondering: did lawyers mandate this? Not shocking it's not just from good will!)
G-PLUS EMAIL:
"You’ve received this email because you have content in Google+ for your personal (consumer) account or a Google+ page you manage.
This is a reminder that on April 2, 2019 we’re shutting down consumer Google+ and will begin deleting content from consumer Google+ accounts. Photos and videos from Google+ in your Album Archive and your Google+ pages will also be deleted.
Downloading your Google+ content may take time, so get started before March 31, 2019.
No other Google products (such as Gmail, Google Photos, Google Drive, YouTube) will be shut down as part of the consumer Google+ shutdown, and the Google Account you use to sign in to these services will remain. Note that photos and videos already backed up in Google Photos will not be deleted.
For more information, see the full Google+ shutdown FAQ.
From all of us on the Google+ team, thank you for making Google+ such a special place.
Google LLC 1600 Amphitheatre Parkway, Mountain View, CA 94043
You have received this mandatory email service announcement to update you about important changes to your Google+ Page, product or account."
~~
Thanks, oh "don't be evil" one!
And a reference to their handiwork thus far:
https://killedbygoogle.com/
~~
#2 Happenings in the "New World", on the 2 main immigrant sites I've been immersed in, as "participant observer" (social scientist hat) and new immigrant:
Mindful that there are very strong feelings, independent of angst/anger brought upon us by Google, about two main recipients of #gplusrefugees:
I have stayed out of "endorsing" or blanket condemnation, as the world online, as offline, is "complicated" and people will be somewhere, even if booted from FB or Twitter, or simply enjoying the interface and people chosen to interact with.
Two summary notes, with positives and negatives galore I could say, but mostly already have, along with many others ("missing" features, platform bells & whistles, ability to edit, the definition of "public" posts, aspects/circles etc.)
OK, MeWe first (indulge me mods - there's not much time/space left to share)
I find MeWe to be Facebook without ads. Lots of chat windows (for every group and contact, and ability to voice chat and emoji your heart out). Some absolutely love it, especially as a (decent but not Google+) replacement, for communities, especially for photographers, of which there are many, in specific topic groups (say landscape or street or nature photography) and specifically outreaching and welcoming G+ refugees. If you stick to invite/closed groups and are careful not to join groups which are overwhelmingly .gif and emoji feeds (unless you like that), you are unlikely to encounter the "Nazis" (except a few rule-crazed admins) or hate talk, and people stay in their own groups/cells. It's just the idea (IMHO) of the CEO's "openness" to hateful groups which is a deal-breaker, it seems, for many. And some, out of conscience (or concern) will stay away for that reason.
Personally, what annoys me, as has been amplified here, is the whole campaigning against something (in this case FB, which may deserve it, but the model of blaming/belittling the other is not a positive path, just more bad-mouthing). It really hit home to me when yesterday, MeWe was largely up and down all day, people complaining that emojis didn't work, and myself getting a banner "sorry there's a problem" about 90% of the time. (My task, taking imminently lost G+ posts and putting into an album I can access later.)
So when I went to the main announce page, I see the CEO apologizing for down time, and it's all good, just growth pains, it's under control, we have only 30 people running the whole show.... I hope they're brilliant, because - calling a bit of BS myself, after 5 days "in line" for their hugely announced import tool of their own, I'm still "in line for processing". And of 4 million reported users, I have yet to see ONE person say they've succeeded, nor one sample of an imported page, collection, community, or anything. Correction: There was (yesterday) ONE person joyously exclaiming the import went through. When I asked to see a sample, he hadn't seen it. Only gotten a notice. "What did you get?" Crickets....
So that's my mixed experience with actual functioning of the team there. Can't say they're not trying like heck... And maybe it's paradise for some. YMMV.
Oh, and as for the "public posting" they now tout: Publicly in the garden, that is, and quite vague at that. Again, maybe a nice plan (or hype) but I don't see logically how they can both "open up" to be public facing and retain their claim-to-fame of privacy. Unless, as some do foresee, they move to circles/aspects and totally remake their platform. And again, maybe 80% of users (non refugees and younger folks especially) care about none of this. They're having fun.
Diaspora*/Pluspora
Again, the structural issues are widely discussed/bemoaned (Pluspora, e.g. limited in inability to post-post edit, while other pods excel in portability and inter-pod connections, blog-hosting, etc.). It has aspects (the basis for "circles") which are not only a wonderful thing to have, but increasingly useful. I say this having seen, in the past few days, a rise in the Fediverse of chatter and cut & paste rants and "manifesto" discussions, emulation of Limbaugh, conspiracies, etc., post- the tragic events in New Zealand. Mods have had to deal with it, and some contacts have taken to limiting public posting. To me that's the same as G+, having the option to be truly public or truly selective in posts, a brilliant thing.
I say this because - some may know my mantra of "context & perspective" - it is not straightforward that MeWe is all Nazis and diaspora* is all love and lights.
There is an entire world population living not only where they are, but online, and like we used to say (pioneering online groups in the 90's), "online life is like offline life, only online". So as more from G+ flood other platforms, and some see the "death of social media " - centralized "walled gardens" like AOL & FB - there are also those booted from FB and those leaving by choice. So it's more and more a reflection wherever we turn, of the overall social landscape today.
And lastly, a few more pora* observations. #1, it's not immune to trolls, nor is it a single place or entity. It is collectively a collective of communities, and a global one. You can edit with an editor, but not post-edit (contentious for over a decade!). You have "aspects". You can nicely display photographs, individually or grouped (but other than tagging, on Pluspora at least, no way to make text-named albums or collections, and no "groups", which many really want/need). You can share, truly publicly. Beyond that, I have met some really profoundly interesting, talented, thoughtful and creative people via diaspora*, so much so that within a few short months I've come to adore some people from around the world, many who have called the Federation home before my ship arrived in December 2018. Amazing people. Easy threaded conversation (well, linearly threaded, not by post - and you can't just + or thumbs up individual comments).
So that's about it, for the few who may read this and benefit. Obviously it's (past) time that people are already settled in or settling in elsewhere.
There's a terrific effort being made to archive the entirety of G+ (See the discussions about this and join in if you possibly can!) Many platforms are now seeing humongous growth (MeWe claiming 400% in a month) and both pora* pods and MeWe are listening to the new and renewed calls for "improvements" to make things more integrated and feature rich a la G+. (Tip: Chrome has a translate extension which works great for both pora* and MeWe, which don't offer native, in-stream translation as does/did Google).
Eleven days on the clock... Do you know where your data is? Your friends?
Your new home?
Time for new beginnings, growth, and blossoms... even the calendar says. Happy Spring!!
https://killedbygoogle.com/
For all 6 who may read this. ;) With 11 days on the shut-down clock.... quiet time
#1
First, I got a direct ("mandatory") email from Google+ today.
(Wondering: did lawyers mandate this? Not shocking it's not just from good will!)
G-PLUS EMAIL:
"You’ve received this email because you have content in Google+ for your personal (consumer) account or a Google+ page you manage.
This is a reminder that on April 2, 2019 we’re shutting down consumer Google+ and will begin deleting content from consumer Google+ accounts. Photos and videos from Google+ in your Album Archive and your Google+ pages will also be deleted.
Downloading your Google+ content may take time, so get started before March 31, 2019.
No other Google products (such as Gmail, Google Photos, Google Drive, YouTube) will be shut down as part of the consumer Google+ shutdown, and the Google Account you use to sign in to these services will remain. Note that photos and videos already backed up in Google Photos will not be deleted.
For more information, see the full Google+ shutdown FAQ.
From all of us on the Google+ team, thank you for making Google+ such a special place.
Google LLC 1600 Amphitheatre Parkway, Mountain View, CA 94043
You have received this mandatory email service announcement to update you about important changes to your Google+ Page, product or account."
~~
Thanks, oh "don't be evil" one!
And a reference to their handiwork thus far:
https://killedbygoogle.com/
~~
#2 Happenings in the "New World", on the 2 main immigrant sites I've been immersed in, as "participant observer" (social scientist hat) and new immigrant:
Mindful that there are very strong feelings, independent of angst/anger brought upon us by Google, about two main recipients of #gplusrefugees:
I have stayed out of "endorsing" or blanket condemnation, as the world online, as offline, is "complicated" and people will be somewhere, even if booted from FB or Twitter, or simply enjoying the interface and people chosen to interact with.
Two summary notes, with positives and negatives galore I could say, but mostly already have, along with many others ("missing" features, platform bells & whistles, ability to edit, the definition of "public" posts, aspects/circles etc.)
OK, MeWe first (indulge me mods - there's not much time/space left to share)
I find MeWe to be Facebook without ads. Lots of chat windows (for every group and contact, and ability to voice chat and emoji your heart out). Some absolutely love it, especially as a (decent but not Google+) replacement, for communities, especially for photographers, of which there are many, in specific topic groups (say landscape or street or nature photography) and specifically outreaching and welcoming G+ refugees. If you stick to invite/closed groups and are careful not to join groups which are overwhelmingly .gif and emoji feeds (unless you like that), you are unlikely to encounter the "Nazis" (except a few rule-crazed admins) or hate talk, and people stay in their own groups/cells. It's just the idea (IMHO) of the CEO's "openness" to hateful groups which is a deal-breaker, it seems, for many. And some, out of conscience (or concern) will stay away for that reason.
Personally, what annoys me, as has been amplified here, is the whole campaigning against something (in this case FB, which may deserve it, but the model of blaming/belittling the other is not a positive path, just more bad-mouthing). It really hit home to me when yesterday, MeWe was largely up and down all day, people complaining that emojis didn't work, and myself getting a banner "sorry there's a problem" about 90% of the time. (My task, taking imminently lost G+ posts and putting into an album I can access later.)
So when I went to the main announce page, I see the CEO apologizing for down time, and it's all good, just growth pains, it's under control, we have only 30 people running the whole show.... I hope they're brilliant, because - calling a bit of BS myself, after 5 days "in line" for their hugely announced import tool of their own, I'm still "in line for processing". And of 4 million reported users, I have yet to see ONE person say they've succeeded, nor one sample of an imported page, collection, community, or anything. Correction: There was (yesterday) ONE person joyously exclaiming the import went through. When I asked to see a sample, he hadn't seen it. Only gotten a notice. "What did you get?" Crickets....
So that's my mixed experience with actual functioning of the team there. Can't say they're not trying like heck... And maybe it's paradise for some. YMMV.
Oh, and as for the "public posting" they now tout: Publicly in the garden, that is, and quite vague at that. Again, maybe a nice plan (or hype) but I don't see logically how they can both "open up" to be public facing and retain their claim-to-fame of privacy. Unless, as some do foresee, they move to circles/aspects and totally remake their platform. And again, maybe 80% of users (non refugees and younger folks especially) care about none of this. They're having fun.
Diaspora*/Pluspora
Again, the structural issues are widely discussed/bemoaned (Pluspora, e.g. limited in inability to post-post edit, while other pods excel in portability and inter-pod connections, blog-hosting, etc.). It has aspects (the basis for "circles") which are not only a wonderful thing to have, but increasingly useful. I say this having seen, in the past few days, a rise in the Fediverse of chatter and cut & paste rants and "manifesto" discussions, emulation of Limbaugh, conspiracies, etc., post- the tragic events in New Zealand. Mods have had to deal with it, and some contacts have taken to limiting public posting. To me that's the same as G+, having the option to be truly public or truly selective in posts, a brilliant thing.
I say this because - some may know my mantra of "context & perspective" - it is not straightforward that MeWe is all Nazis and diaspora* is all love and lights.
There is an entire world population living not only where they are, but online, and like we used to say (pioneering online groups in the 90's), "online life is like offline life, only online". So as more from G+ flood other platforms, and some see the "death of social media " - centralized "walled gardens" like AOL & FB - there are also those booted from FB and those leaving by choice. So it's more and more a reflection wherever we turn, of the overall social landscape today.
And lastly, a few more pora* observations. #1, it's not immune to trolls, nor is it a single place or entity. It is collectively a collective of communities, and a global one. You can edit with an editor, but not post-edit (contentious for over a decade!). You have "aspects". You can nicely display photographs, individually or grouped (but other than tagging, on Pluspora at least, no way to make text-named albums or collections, and no "groups", which many really want/need). You can share, truly publicly. Beyond that, I have met some really profoundly interesting, talented, thoughtful and creative people via diaspora*, so much so that within a few short months I've come to adore some people from around the world, many who have called the Federation home before my ship arrived in December 2018. Amazing people. Easy threaded conversation (well, linearly threaded, not by post - and you can't just + or thumbs up individual comments).
So that's about it, for the few who may read this and benefit. Obviously it's (past) time that people are already settled in or settling in elsewhere.
There's a terrific effort being made to archive the entirety of G+ (See the discussions about this and join in if you possibly can!) Many platforms are now seeing humongous growth (MeWe claiming 400% in a month) and both pora* pods and MeWe are listening to the new and renewed calls for "improvements" to make things more integrated and feature rich a la G+. (Tip: Chrome has a translate extension which works great for both pora* and MeWe, which don't offer native, in-stream translation as does/did Google).
Eleven days on the clock... Do you know where your data is? Your friends?
Your new home?
Time for new beginnings, growth, and blossoms... even the calendar says. Happy Spring!!
https://killedbygoogle.com/
And how it's not evil.. Google tries to play time -- i.e., filter. :) It just needs an archiving department.
ReplyDeleteThanks for sharing.
ReplyDeleteMindey To avoid being evil, Google could simply do nothing... leave the content live (but frozen, no new additions). Much easier for them to do that, than for the entire population of users to scramble and try several different ways to archive and save. Instead, Google chose the most evil of all possible ways, IMM, to intentionally destroy everything of value to millions of people - our "homes", our memories (photos and posts and conversations), and our lives, some of us for 8 years.
ReplyDeleteSystematically engaging in what Gary Shteyngart, in his dystopian novel "Super Sad True Love Story" (a super-strong recommend), calls, the "nullification" of all we've lived and done, shared and posted in good faith.
And this after a beginning making billions from us "consumers", while declaring their motto as "don't be evil". Epic fail.
Michael Fenichel Thank you. I remain convinced that the ratio of bright, thoughtful and creative people using G+ is/was higher than what is to be found elsewhere. It will be sorely missed here. TNQ
ReplyDeleteYeah well... Ratio-wise, it's true, a lot of thought & talent all in the same shared space - publicly, in circles, and in communities, all well-established and with living history. Now many are dispersed, some returning to abandoned roots, some starting anew.
ReplyDeleteFWIW, many of these same amazing people are already re-connecting in new venues, and there are many more familiar faces & names just being found, via interests (# tagged) or by random explorations or posts by friends of new friends/contacts. Yes, our familiar and well-designed community is disintegrating (by Google's callous hand) and I agree, as do many, it will be sorely missed. You're welcome! :) Thanks for actually reading!
Well written Michael Fenichel ! I appreciate in particular your comments on MeWe because everything I know about it so far is from hearsay. That is, I have not joined it.
ReplyDeleteI am on pluspora (as I think you know) so I shall concentrate on how to maximise my enjoyment there. I have not seriously considered using Aspects yet so, again, I was interested in your insights about them.
Thanks again!
A short addendum on how "aspects" and privacy inter-relate
ReplyDeleteRoy Gardiner Thank you! And yes, I do know you're "there". :))
And I know you've seen a few mentions, in the aftermath of some unwanted comments, some are turning towards more "aspects-only" (~circles) posts so as not to attract unwanted trolls, who can see cartoons, memes, etc., if you post them (truly) publicly.
In general over the years I've posted photos and articles publicly to G+, but personal things were kept within circles (for things like regional music vids or cartoons/memes) while some of my friends/colleagues just did everything publicly. Choice is good.
For those considering Pluspora - only because I've never really seen it explained beyond "it's like circles" (which it is) - and because it's part of an overall "model" like G+ but with the addition of # power.... A brief overview.
There's a lot of control and choice between the # tags used and the use of "aspects", and they relate. It's good to know about this when you first sign up. You choose 5 hashtags and these are like search key words, two ways. If you choose #technology, #Picasso and #Beethoven + 2 you'll be seeing samples of posts by those who tag with these or are similarly using these tags as key interests. If you put one like #music (general) you're going to have a mighty busy feed and be seen (if you post publicly) by many. Some want that. If you go with #Ravel and specific composers, you'll get very curated feeds. [Check #Ravel here!!]
It may be that once some connections are made and your feed is shaped by 5 chosen interests/hashtags, making use of the aspects-only posts and feeds will keep things like trolls or robots at bay. And if you go full-tilt public (which really it is, though not as instantly indexed as Google) or you identify with a tag like #music, which will put you in the feeds of many, many others, you can choose whether to go for a huge reach, or just see and attract others with more narrow interest areas. You can do a combination or change tags. But I'd choose your first 5 tags wisely, to be not too broad, not too specific, but just right. :))
That's the first part of the equation, your chosen tags. It determines how you will be seen as well as what gets fed to you (your "feed"). The second part is the choice to post publicly or to your "aspects". If you have an aspect for "music" and for work, one for family, and one for G-plus (as an example) you can target posts to any aspect(s), or "all aspects". Same as G+. Neat. Some have said (about both pora* and MeWe) they arrive at a new destination to see nothing. This will not happen now, a month or two later. Immigrants are everywhere. So be aware that diaspora can be truly public and it works two ways... put out a lot of public "hot topic" things, you'll get a mix back, reflecting the real "public" society as a whole. Trolls included, along with some amazing people who turn up and become part of our "new life". If you're not interested in super-wide reach to the whole global public, post among friends or within topic feeds. Aspects are different than the # tags you identify yourself with. It really is exactly like circles: You pick your labels - music, family, team, Italy, whatever - and they appear in your "aspects" feed, if you choose that (vs. public) You can assign people to any of them at any time, and choose to post only to aspects, or to the world.
Pardon the sleep-deprived ramble, if it is... Nice thing about publicly posting to G+ now (which I only did for photos and academic papers for many years, "until the end")... Now we're not even really here. This won't exist, these words, many words... Because in the end, those of us "here" now, are all, in the words of John Lennon, "living on borrowed time". :)) Peace.
Gerhard Torges Thanks for reading!! With no more + button, I'm going to have to "use my words" now. (Well, or emojis...) Happy Spring!
ReplyDeleteAnd you, Michael Fenichel!
ReplyDeleteI do have some thoughts to add, but these aren't ready to be published yet.
Michael Fenichel how does your 'hat' see Openbook? That is the one I am waiting for. On the beta list.
ReplyDeleteOpenbook is not yet ready.
ReplyDeleteBut from what I see there's big potential.
Diana Studer Unfortunately, my (sorting) hat can't really weigh in on this, or if you mean my social science hat, I really have no "data". I mean, no personal experience. (On a waitlist!) The numbers, in terms of the huge wave of suddenly resettling #gplusrefugees, suggest a question of critical mass and scalability in the face of huge growth elsewhere. From a purely demographics/business model POV. And the timing... But from observation and just a little reading, it seems there is a small(ish) group that has very high hopes, including aspects I've not really focused on, like compatibility with imports and/or platforms.
ReplyDeleteBut -- checking to see, "where am I?- perfect! Because I'd say there are some deeper discussions about Openbook all over this very community. With that, the hat's gone flat. ;)) But I see buzz.
I agree with the above. And everyone should try more than one platform. I also had a problem with the emojis on mewe yesterday, but I am not "campaigning against" mewe, and like many have discovered, mewe is fun. It seems like the developers on all the platforms are trying to improve them, so everyone just needs to be patient.
ReplyDeleteThanks for sharing your experience Michael Fenichel. I've tried both diaspora and mewe. Mewe wins because I have to reduce every photo on diaspora before uploading and that is a painful task. I also found in both platforms, engaging only publicly attracted some of the nastiest specimens of trash that I have encountered in one place, so I am extremely carefully which groups I join and where I post. In Mewe, I stopped accepting group invitations because there are so many.
ReplyDeleteAt the end of the day, g+ and FB has taught me not to trust any of them and to consider that anything that I post online in social media does not belong to me and will be taken, stolen, deleted, shared by the big guys anytime they choose.
I've tried 4 times to download my content from g+. The last time at least it completed the task but I can't open the file to extract the data! So I consider my stuff lost! RIP!
I doubt very much that Google will delete the content, just think how much free stuff they have access to that they can sell to anyone who wants it for data mining, data analytics, AI machine learning etc. They ain't gonna delete it or give it away for free! Especially as a lot of the content is high quality communication (people still use sentences) and photography!
Joan Laine, You're welcome, and thanks for sharing your experience too! Gee, I already miss using the + to tickle, like @ elsewhere. And as our unique "thumbs up" or "like". :(
ReplyDeleteThat's a great example of how individual experiences (and wants/needs) vary, &/or are similar, especially talking about millions of people! From everywhere, geographically, culturally, and within social media.
My own differences as well as overlap with your experience is around the "noise" factor, and photography. I've actually not had any issues with Pluspora photos, other than inability to group them as I'd like (labelled albums I can share via url and/or publicly), though MeWe is entirely "within the walled Garden" absent (true) public sharing. In fact, for 2 months I tried a variety of posting and formatting (photo-centric) on both MeWe and Pluspora, including recreating some Google+ threads, complete with comments. I'd say both get some prizes in some categories, both have limitations (relative to G+).
MeWe is simple, intuitive, to post, (slightly) format, post and share to groups or personal albums. The results look nice, the MeWe albums will include a thumbnail and link (if you add one, with it popping up just by typing it within your post/message). Totally sharable to self or groups or themes/events - as you know! Editable. Pluspora has an editor - almost WYSIWYG - and you can format and publicly share single or multi-image posts, with big headers, etc., blog-like. But only before you post. Afterwards (on Pluspora, but not other pods), no editing.
BUT... again, big difference, MeWe is "closed circuit", garden grounds only (you have to be a member to view others' things), Pluspora not so, and Pluspora has the "aspects" (circles), MeWe no. So... individual choices! Again, I find neither takes the place of G+, and double-posting (at least during this comparison & relocation frenzy) so that both sets of "old friends" from G+ land see, and I get feedback from responses. And, I've never sized/re-sized images to adapt to one versus the other. (So I could objectively compare how the same image displays on one versus the other, same exact file.) There are some things I really like in the Pluspora layout (and editing options), and some things MeWe excels at - for example, in multi-photo posts, which I for convenience/comfort think of as "albums" - post very nicely, with the ability to title each one, which viewers see (though the title is squished up against any tags there below). I love the full-size display on both platforms, hard to see artifacts, compression differences with the (my) naked eye on a 5K monitor, so I suppose fine on most phone and tablet screens as well as big displays.
FWIW, both platforms use compression (and both claim it's wonderful for photography) - but there's a 3MB size limit, so if you've pushed that with Pluspora, it might explain your lack of success there.
Speaking of lack of success - mine and yours. Google/MeWe Import.
Finally, after 6 days I saw the bright red notice that there was no data (which there was, in .json format). Before it would not let me upload more than one folder. Overnight I downloaded 27 Gb of fresh takeout and am now fighting the MeWe Interface, but think I may get to the next step soon (or not). But again, the thing is, if I have 27 Gb uploaded to MeWe (albeit in zipped form, so I don't know how much is redundant images, etc. and what it will parse out and retain), how will my 8Gb of free storage be impacted? With many photo uploads, I now have 7.1 Gb free. Add 27Gb of new data - what will happen? Monthly fees? Will I get a notice that I've hit my limit, would I like to proceed?
Will I suddenly find my entire world of G+ exactly as it was, miraculously frozen in amber, or still alive? To be continued... (If it's before G-Day and I have any new news, will post.) But MEANWHILE...
I have to ask... why?? I could bring an entire community or big collection over to MeWe, and except for MeWe users, who would know? Again, individual goals...
ReplyDeleteIssue #2 - Trust and privacy mindfulness
Important. Not much else I can say, as I've addressed that already, and can sure imagine your experience. (Gee, FB taught you to be wary! Well, that's something good to come from all the privacy/logic invasion coming from them; now I'd wager many are going to be less trustful of anything Google!) Yeah, caveat emptor, buyer beware, because now we are the product across much of online activity.
As to the MeWe privacy/free speech factors, it's the same lesson I learned, as did you - there is a lot of "noise" from endless invites to emoji and unicorn-gif feeds to notices from groups or themes, to constantly opening chat windows (which I've disabled mostly, as I need to focus at the computer). But some - like those who complained of the "ghost town" at G+ or of how dead both MeWe and Pluspora seemed 2 months ago at first look - will and are very happy with the energy level, groups, chat, emojis, voice chat (for fee), etc.
I'm with you on limiting group subscription to a few dear ones (unless you want to spend all day and night glued to the screen, which is part of what my real life involves treating - screen addiction!) As for the spam and bots, etc.... As I'm seeing, and have said for years, online populations mirror offline (though many are disinhibited behind masks of anonymity, and take on troll personas or whatever). It's across all open platforms. As for the group invites - I wish I could stop them all, but they keep coming! My bad for joining a public one early on (invited by one nice, real person)... because I'm pretty sure that put me on some robo- invite list. But OTOH, the few photo groups I am a part of (and feel like it, after several months), are one of my two biggest joys on MeWe, the other being seeing many old friends from G+ and finding some of those smart, creative, friendly, thoughtful type people scattered around too. (Same for Pluspora/diaspora*/Flickr - both of which do work best for people preferring words & photos over emoji streams. Again, many do love that constant stream! Choices.)
Final quick note for now (uh oh, I said "quick"! Run!)
I don't really know - does anyone? - what will remain "live", from existing public Google+ posts, collections, communities. The way they explain it, Photos posts are safe (but accessible only via Photos now). Maybe some things will be left up ("locked"?), maybe archived-only (by other than Google). Maybe on April 1 we'll hear "Happy April Fool's Day!" (If wishes were horses... but it's those who trusted Google who may feel foolish these days.) Anyway, I don't know about their incentive to try to monetize "stale" posts. I know a photo by me of the Eiffel Tower, without links to anything marketable, seems like a waste of server space for them, as I read their attitude. I wonder about how the Google Index will handle millions (billions?) of listings for Google public posts. And in the end (which it is), it's the dynamic, living interaction between new and old friends and acquaintances, sharing everything from obscure music vids to science article, personal vacation photos, jokes, news stories, whatever... it's the living community - now being wiped out wholesale without concern - which made G+ what it is/was, along with all the well-thought out components. Sigh. /talked out
Without the living community, and chain of links to other conversations, a single post is underwhelming.
ReplyDeletePS... "Just because I can"....
ReplyDeleteHere's a sample of a Pluspora post, which as you can see (if you see) can be shared publicly. Can't do that on MeWe. FWIW.
pluspora.com - Will this display as a group as handily as a G+, MeWe, Flickr or Fa...
I still feel in limbo and undecided about wether I shall attempt to set up my communities and collections again on any social media platform. In exploring the alternatives to g+ out here, I came across some of my old forums and was reminded of the sense of homeliness and belonging that I had in those communities. They limit you though to topics that you already know.
ReplyDeleteI am curious to know what will happen when they switch off, since I have a business gplus account. I do know, I don’t trust them with my content anymore.
Joan Laine You're not alone...
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Pluspora - Sample #2
ReplyDeleteI like this public post, again from Pluspora, just a single image with a link to a Flickr album. With this post there, I've rescued the image from G+ and have a diaspora* "signal flare" sending anyone interested in my G+ images over to Flickr or my site.
Graphically it integrates well, no? (At least on desktop/laptop)
And again, pora* posts can (but don't need to be) truly public.
Which you cannot do with MeWe. If it matters to you.
But OTOH, if you're happy staying on MeWe (as FB), it's easy sharing, many people, and active groups. Plus albums. All within the walls.
Which some see as a good thing ("privacy"), others not ("reach").
pluspora.com - "Hello, dear! Have you some nice lettuce for me?"
Michael Fenichel that is cool they pluspora is public. Has it always had that option?
ReplyDeleteJoan Laine I'm not expert on their history, so can't address "always", as I've been focused on G+ (social media wise) the past 8 years. But I do know they've had it for at least that long, as Google+ "circle" model was based on it, seen as a great feature. Diaspora* was an early entrant, along with G+, in the "not Facebook" alternative offerings. The pods vary a great deal in terms of bells & whistles and network capabilities, and seem to have developed in a different ethos and community - with a lot of developers, bloggers, etc., not all looking for the shiny emojis and chat, etc., which drive the popularity of FB, G+, MeWe etc. Maybe. :)
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