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Think about this.

Originally shared by Isaac Kuo

Say no thanks to MeWe

I do not understand the enthusiasm with which many users being abandoned by a "good" corporation's closed garden are running toward a newbie startup corporation's closed garden.

Oh sure - a startup promises everything and seems very responsive to the customers. They all do. They're not being funded by the customers, they're being funded by VC cash. They try to lock you in while they can, so they can extract value from you later. This is what always happens, because sooner or later the VC's always want their money back and then some (a LOT some).

And you know what? MeWe is going to fail. I mean...there's a small chance it won't, but most startups fail. From the VC's perspective, that's just the price of doing business. Most investments fail, but you get a big payoff from the one that doesn't. That's cool for the VC's, but what good is it for the end users?

For the most part, the end users aren't stupid. For the most part, we avoid getting in deep with dubious startups, and just try to take advantage of freebies while the getting's good. But with this MeWe mass migration, it's like a form of mass stupidity.

The hard truth is that there weren't enough G+ users to justify Google continuing to invest in G+. In terms of raw numbers, there weren't enough of us to keep a Facebook wannabe afloat. Even if we all migrated to MeWe, it would still be a struggling Facebook wannabe.

In contrast, far smaller numbers flooding into diaspora are enough to breath new life into the project. It doesn't have to live or die on high stakes venture capital. Diaspora and Friendica and Mastodon etc have been around through tough times...but without greedy VC's looking to cash the chips in, they have plodded onward rather than folding. The open interoperability means that it's not a closed garden. You can shift from one option to another if one goes down or stagnates.

If you want something future-proof, I'd recommend Hubzilla. It already federates with both the diaspora world (Federation) and the Mastodon world (Fediverse). It offers a unique capability to migrate from one pod to another live - no export/import process required (such as its predecessor, Friendica). Multiple "clones" can be live across pods, meaning that even if one pod goes down you're still up - your followers/followees see no downtime. It's not 100%, since followers/followees in diaspora/Mastodon are pointed to your "clone" on a specific pod, but it's as good as it'll get.

The bottom line is that you'll be part of an open system which has been around the block, and which is resilient to the loss of pods. Your followers/followees don't need to make the same choice as you do - they can use diaspora or Mastodon or whatever.

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  1. I'm amused at all the people who hate MeWe because they've got it right. By the way, MeWe has been around for five years already. Not exactly a "startup". Lmao.

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  2. Different things, different people.

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  3. I did think about this and would have loved to go with hubzilla. But the barrier to entry is far too high. Yes, I can join some strangers pod but then my content is at the mercy of the individual running the PoD. Who I don't know at all and who could decide on a moment's notice to shut down the pod. Since I seem to need to register on every pod seperatly so I can start cloning my profile it's just too much work. Not to mention how every pod can have different looking profiles depending on what plugins the pod owner uses. It looks like a mess to me.

    While MeWe may well fail it does have investor money and a business plan right now. Federated stuff does not. Hubzilla may be there by the time G+ shuts down but it simply isn't yet.

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  4. MeWe CEO Weinstein chimed into the discussion here on Google+ shortly after the demise of this platform was announced. He boasted about MeWe and told all kinds of stories on how great it is and how big on user privacy. He even stated that it is GDPR compliant (which is highly important for users from the EU). I pointed out with examples that MeWe indeed is not GDPR-compliant and asked for clarification. He answered questions from other users after that but ignored my inquiries about his claims of GDPR compliancy. Since he choose not to address those obvious problems I have big doubts about the trustworthyness of the platform and it's founder.

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  5. I tried both and am still trying MeWe. Pluspora doesn't work for me because I can't load photos as they are. MeWe limits content to 8GB before you have to pay and you have to pay for pages (which in itself would not be a problem).

    I do not trust any of the sites anymore since all of them want to make as much money as possible from end users but lie about it.Just like politicians, they promise things that they have little intention of providing and do exactly what they want anyway.

    Neither MeWe or Pluspora has a facebook feel for me, in fact they both feel more similar to g+.

    Currently the winner is MeWe ... with reservations and knowing we still have 10 months to migrate.

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  6. I will wait for Openbook before considering anything.

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  7. 1. MeWe is not a startup
    2. MeWe make money from their business "Slack" competitor, businesses will pay monthly for Pages and there are freemium features for the ordinary user, stickers and coming soon, a paid upgrade to dark mode
    3. MeWe is working towards being the first social network to becoming Solid compatible - Google+ takeout JSON can be converted to Solid...
    4. The shut down of Google+ has nothing to do with numbers, Google never monetised user data, it also has nothing to do with a data exposure in March, it was most likely decided about 4 years ago before all of the integration was farmed out to separate apps.
    5. Google+ users want a working mobile app with notifications, cross platform support, ease of entry for friends and family, privacy, security, fun features, similar to g+ circa 2013.

    The only platform that offers this is MeWe.

    And boy, typing this in the Google+ mobile app was painful. So many problems left unfixed with scrolling and formatting.

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  8. The lack of a mobile app for Hubzila and diaspora means it is nearly impossible for me to use them. Mastodon seems pretty good, except for the 500-char limit on posts.

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  9. For a majority of the users, the race will be won by ease of use. People developing software often seem to completely fail in understanding this concept.

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  10. Mark Stronge you say that G+ Takeout JSON can be converted to Solid, but it is my understanding that Tim Berners-Lee's import script is still very much work in progress (like most of the import tools for other platforms floating around).
    If I look at the code (https://github.com/solid/solid-takeout-import/blob/master/intake.html) only Photos and Groups have import code, which still will need more work as well to work with for instance edgecases with cropped file-extensions (not all metadata files are for instance named metadata.json).
    The actual import of Google+ Stream posts still seems to be missing.
    github.com - solid-takeout-import

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  11. Filip H.F. Slagter it has just been developed in the past week, give it time. If you notice I left a ... at the end as this is something still to work out. I did not suggest it was a fully functioning expert and import process, for one thing, MeWe isn't yet solid compatible as I've already stated

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  12. Mark Stronge My point was more that you presented it as a functioning solution, while it's still far from that.
    Also, the first proof of concept commit was 24 days ago, with another small commit the next day. It didn't see any more code contributions till just 6 days ago, when some variables were renamed, and some functionality for importing photos was added. Activity-wise, it's not a lot, and so far, to me, it has more the status of a proof of concept script, than anything fully functional.
    Judging by how many projects Tim Berners-Lee is involved in, and the footer in the Readme of the project, I'm guessing he's hoping the community will turn the proof of concept into something fully functional.

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  13. I remain unconvinced. Nothing about MeWe (or for that matter pluspora) persuades me that it's an acceptable substitute for G+. At present, the social medium where I'm reconnecting with most of my G+ friends is ... FaceBook. Yeah, yeah, I know all the reasons people hate it ... but it's a mature, robust platform that makes forming special-interest communities easy, displays photos well and has the financial resources to likely be around well into the future. G+ photographers, in particular, are already setting up FB communities for the various group photography projects we've been running here.

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  14. Pat Kight something about the software I use on my photos doesn't sit happily with FB, but will look for you there

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  15. Pat Kight It's true, that if you're looking for a platform where you can send links to posts to random people around the world, or publish a link in a flyer or brochure, and those people can see your material, MeWe is not for you. MeWe doesn't work for general promotion or sales.

    For me, it's great. My focus is to recreate what I have here and hang out with my hundreds of G+ friends. I want a walled garden, free of random junk, promoted posts, spam, and porn. In this, MeWe is superior to G+.

    MeWe recently added "public pages", but public means all MeWe users, not the world. There's discussion about allowing truly public pages but nothing has happened yet.

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  16. Gerhard Torges I agree. Of the open federation/fediverse projects hubzilla.org stands out as a potential migration (ActivityPub json) target with its support of forums (communities/groups) and nomadic identities with cloning.

    A quick guide to The Free Network
    medium.com - A quick guide to The Free Network – We Distribute – Medium

    ActivityPub
    https://www.w3.org/TR/activitypub/

    Fediverse
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fediverse

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  17. wara zashi You raise a very good point, I'll add another: social graph.

    People will go to where people they know go, and they'll use tools they have access to, can understand, and that work. This will almost certainly dominate adoption effects.

    There's an interest in looking at features, protocols, etc., by many here, and for some those will matter. For me, that's mostly in finding a way to maximise flexibility of my online presence, whilst also emphasising control. There may be enough significant producers following a similar track to shape directions, though that may be a long shot.

    It's also possible that current accessiblity and ease-of-use change in the future. How that shifts the social graph remains to be seen.

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  18. Never feel any attraction to that MeWe thingy anyways...

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  19. Edward Morbius “People will go to where people they know go”. I’m sure that is true for the Facebook crowd, but I’m not sure it applies to the Google expats.

    Part of what made Google+ great for me was a large group of thoughtful and well-spoken folks whom I had never met before, and an environment which made it easy for me to meet them and start conversations. That is what I am looking to replace. Sure, it would be great if some of the people whom I have met over the last n years landed in the same place, but I’m not going to choose my location based on people I already know.

    Here’s my experience from that perspective so far, after just a couple days weeks of daily use.

    MeWe - I’m following 83 people, most of whom I had never met before, and many of whom have interesting stuff to say. Finding new folks is easy, especially with the ability to recommend followers to others, and managing who is and isn’t in my stream is even simpler than G+. Every day there are interesting posts and comments.

    Mastodon - I am following 14 people, about half G+ expats. The microblogging focus (500-char limit) makes the posts feel more like a bloated twitter than anything else. Hard to find new people.

    Diaspora (pluspora pod) - I still haven’t even figured out how to manage who shows up in my stream. There’s a bunch of random stuff that shows up, but I just can’t figure the UI out. This might be because I am using the mobile web interface.

    Dreamwidth - I’ve found two people so far. One google expat, one other.

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  20. Brian Holt Hawthorne "People will go..." refers to the general case, the typical user. It's also something of a cetris paribus statement: all else being equal.

    There's also the nugget that if some specific group tends to a platform or protocol or mode (say: academics, authors, technical types), then others of that group will go there. Not necessarilly the entire online world.

    And there are specific constituencies with aversions to specific platforms.

    But groups tend to move together.

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  21. Edward Morbius but your results from here (this Community) will be skewed by the facts
    1. We are on / from G+
    2. Looking for somewhere go. Ish.
    Chosen destination will be influenced by the known and liked faces from G+ have chosen X because , so I will follow them. Maybe ;~)

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  22. Diana Studer True. My responses allude to that, if indirectly.

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