CRITICAL ANALYSIS OF MEWE AHEAD
I think I know the main problem of MeWe. It's Mark Weinstein. Everything about him. His strange obsession with Facebook, his insistence toward the Libertarian idea of free speech, and his awful business sense.
Mewe, while not completely original, is still a pretty cool concept. I like getting into groups to talk and chat about things that interests me because it's fun. This is what a social network should be about. This is the only reason why people join social networks, to have fun, talk, share pictures, etc.
And yet Mark Weinstein talks about everything BUT the fun aspects of MeWe. He'll talk about privacy, which is great but not a feature. He'll talk about Facebook's faults. He'll talk about MeWe Pro. He'll talk about custom emoji packs. He'll talk about being a free speech proponent (who cares). He'll talk about "the good guys". He'll talk about MeWe as if it's a revolution (LOL). He'll talk about Libertarian politics (which is never cool).
He'll talk about everything but what MeWe is: a group based chat service. A group based chat service sounds like it could be neat if they put a unique spin on it. But they're too busy finding their niche in things that aren't social network related.
And there's a lack of focus when it comes to what MeWe is trying to be. It's supposed to be a cool social network. But sometimes it seems like the anti-Facebook revolution, which is laughable. Then it'll sound like a cult of personality around Libertarian free speech proponent Mark Weinstein, which is annoying. Or it'll sound like the new website for privacy, which sounds shady when you consider who's on there doing god knows what. But it's about many different things that MeWe the service isn't.
Why is this? Because Mark Weinstein probably doesn't understand MeWe, or the product he's pitching. He seems like the out of touch CEO who doesn't quite know what the kids want nowadays, but he knows they don't like Facebook. So he joins the bash Facebook hype train.
That explains why he criticizes Facebook every chance he gets. Mark Weinstein most likely doesn't work on the backend of the website, which would explain why he doesn't talk about the features as much as he talk about the "crimes" of Facebook. This puts him at a big marketing disadvantage.
Think back to Facebook, Twitter, Tumblr, Reddit, etc. The CEOs were programmers. They knew the product they were marketing. So when they spoke about a new feature, it's because they worked on it personally. When Mark Weinstein speaks about a new feature, it's almost painfully obvious he doesn't quite grasp the implications of it. It's evident he has no idea why it would appeal to users. He has no idea of what's good about MeWe or what it has to offer. So he has to sell MeWe in other ways.
When Mark Weinstein talks, it's about how awful Facebook is. He talks about privacy and free speech. He talks about everything EXCEPT what makes MeWe great. It's almost as if he doesn't know, and I don't think he does.
He exudes this lack of confidence in his product, because he doesn't know what to make of it, or how it can be great. He doesn't know its true potential. So he has to talk about everything else. Anything else to make you want to join. Not by its merits, but by slogans and backtalk. He has to convince you that Facebook is the devil and MeWe is your savior because his understanding of what MeWe can do for you is just that shallow.
Also think back to Facebook, Twitter, Tumblr, Reddit, etc. They never resorted to criticizing their competition. Twitter never said "don't go to Facebook, Facebook is BS". Tumblr never said "we're for the good guys, and we're not for sale".
Even Facebook didn't constantly harp on MySpace. They spoke about what they were doing, new announcements and features they wanted to add, and kept it positive. Mark Weinstein could take a lot from Facebook on this front. Look at Facebook's Twitter account. Now look at MeWe's. The tone is different, and one is certainly more off putting.
Plus, Mark Weinstein has terrible business sense. He's letting his misunderstanding of free speech dictate MeWe's direction. For example, in America especially, free speech simply means you can't be jailed, harmed, censored or sued for your opinions. That's it. It's doesn't mean that we must be forced to tolerant objectionable ideas. You're not entitled to an audience of a platform.
And yet, this is what Mark wants us to do on MeWe, be tolerant of Nazis while giving them a platform. Mark apparently needs all of the members to his site that he can get, which is why MeWe hasn't banned them yet. But I guess Mark sweeps trash under the rug and calls the room clean at the end of the day.
And this is why his business sense is so atrocious. Nazis and white supremacists are a small, unprofitable sector. They aren't going to buy anything, and they are driving away people who might. Every business knows that loud, disruptive loiters who don't buy need to leave so they don't disturb the other paying customers. They can have their "free speech" elsewhere, as it isn't the concern of a reputable business. Why is MeWe making it their concern? Because they could become paying customers?
MeWe only begs the question: why is free speech to Nazis Mewe's job?
As a side note, when Mark Weinstein says MeWe is for "the good guys" and refuses to get rid of Nazis, does that mean someone at MeWe thinks the Nazis are the good guys?
MeWe is cool. But Mark Weinstein isn't. This might be salvageable if Mark were a pitch man, but he's the CEO. He's making conscious decisions to run his project into the ground before it takes off. For that, I wish Mark Weinstein were only an adviser for privacy.
My advice to Mark Weinstein, do a 180. Stop following the "bash Facebook" hype train. It's topical, but shortsighted and unsustainable.
I think I know the main problem of MeWe. It's Mark Weinstein. Everything about him. His strange obsession with Facebook, his insistence toward the Libertarian idea of free speech, and his awful business sense.
Mewe, while not completely original, is still a pretty cool concept. I like getting into groups to talk and chat about things that interests me because it's fun. This is what a social network should be about. This is the only reason why people join social networks, to have fun, talk, share pictures, etc.
And yet Mark Weinstein talks about everything BUT the fun aspects of MeWe. He'll talk about privacy, which is great but not a feature. He'll talk about Facebook's faults. He'll talk about MeWe Pro. He'll talk about custom emoji packs. He'll talk about being a free speech proponent (who cares). He'll talk about "the good guys". He'll talk about MeWe as if it's a revolution (LOL). He'll talk about Libertarian politics (which is never cool).
He'll talk about everything but what MeWe is: a group based chat service. A group based chat service sounds like it could be neat if they put a unique spin on it. But they're too busy finding their niche in things that aren't social network related.
And there's a lack of focus when it comes to what MeWe is trying to be. It's supposed to be a cool social network. But sometimes it seems like the anti-Facebook revolution, which is laughable. Then it'll sound like a cult of personality around Libertarian free speech proponent Mark Weinstein, which is annoying. Or it'll sound like the new website for privacy, which sounds shady when you consider who's on there doing god knows what. But it's about many different things that MeWe the service isn't.
Why is this? Because Mark Weinstein probably doesn't understand MeWe, or the product he's pitching. He seems like the out of touch CEO who doesn't quite know what the kids want nowadays, but he knows they don't like Facebook. So he joins the bash Facebook hype train.
That explains why he criticizes Facebook every chance he gets. Mark Weinstein most likely doesn't work on the backend of the website, which would explain why he doesn't talk about the features as much as he talk about the "crimes" of Facebook. This puts him at a big marketing disadvantage.
Think back to Facebook, Twitter, Tumblr, Reddit, etc. The CEOs were programmers. They knew the product they were marketing. So when they spoke about a new feature, it's because they worked on it personally. When Mark Weinstein speaks about a new feature, it's almost painfully obvious he doesn't quite grasp the implications of it. It's evident he has no idea why it would appeal to users. He has no idea of what's good about MeWe or what it has to offer. So he has to sell MeWe in other ways.
When Mark Weinstein talks, it's about how awful Facebook is. He talks about privacy and free speech. He talks about everything EXCEPT what makes MeWe great. It's almost as if he doesn't know, and I don't think he does.
He exudes this lack of confidence in his product, because he doesn't know what to make of it, or how it can be great. He doesn't know its true potential. So he has to talk about everything else. Anything else to make you want to join. Not by its merits, but by slogans and backtalk. He has to convince you that Facebook is the devil and MeWe is your savior because his understanding of what MeWe can do for you is just that shallow.
Also think back to Facebook, Twitter, Tumblr, Reddit, etc. They never resorted to criticizing their competition. Twitter never said "don't go to Facebook, Facebook is BS". Tumblr never said "we're for the good guys, and we're not for sale".
Even Facebook didn't constantly harp on MySpace. They spoke about what they were doing, new announcements and features they wanted to add, and kept it positive. Mark Weinstein could take a lot from Facebook on this front. Look at Facebook's Twitter account. Now look at MeWe's. The tone is different, and one is certainly more off putting.
Plus, Mark Weinstein has terrible business sense. He's letting his misunderstanding of free speech dictate MeWe's direction. For example, in America especially, free speech simply means you can't be jailed, harmed, censored or sued for your opinions. That's it. It's doesn't mean that we must be forced to tolerant objectionable ideas. You're not entitled to an audience of a platform.
And yet, this is what Mark wants us to do on MeWe, be tolerant of Nazis while giving them a platform. Mark apparently needs all of the members to his site that he can get, which is why MeWe hasn't banned them yet. But I guess Mark sweeps trash under the rug and calls the room clean at the end of the day.
And this is why his business sense is so atrocious. Nazis and white supremacists are a small, unprofitable sector. They aren't going to buy anything, and they are driving away people who might. Every business knows that loud, disruptive loiters who don't buy need to leave so they don't disturb the other paying customers. They can have their "free speech" elsewhere, as it isn't the concern of a reputable business. Why is MeWe making it their concern? Because they could become paying customers?
MeWe only begs the question: why is free speech to Nazis Mewe's job?
As a side note, when Mark Weinstein says MeWe is for "the good guys" and refuses to get rid of Nazis, does that mean someone at MeWe thinks the Nazis are the good guys?
MeWe is cool. But Mark Weinstein isn't. This might be salvageable if Mark were a pitch man, but he's the CEO. He's making conscious decisions to run his project into the ground before it takes off. For that, I wish Mark Weinstein were only an adviser for privacy.
My advice to Mark Weinstein, do a 180. Stop following the "bash Facebook" hype train. It's topical, but shortsighted and unsustainable.
Well said.
ReplyDeletePlus1000. No MeWe for me...
ReplyDeleteMark isn't wrong though. Facebook is terrible. I don't see how pointing out Facebook's problems can ruin a site for people.
ReplyDeleteAlso, Mark is appealing to us g+ users. I mean. A ton of us are wanting a site like G+ and guess what MeWe is doing. Adding G+ features into the site. (Circles, communities, etc. Some of which has already been added)
MeWe is a good site if you would get your head outta the clouds and just focus on the site and not the CEO.
And tbh. What site isn't chat based these days. Facebook/Messenger. Snapchat. GooglePlus/Hangouts. MeWe.
And I really haven't seen any Facebook hate on MeWe so. Yeah.
ReplyDeleteWhite Diamond It's possible for someone to be right about one thing and very wrong about another.
ReplyDeleteIt's a classic confidence man trick, in fact.
I can see that being an issue. Though I do have a vague and not really justified feeling that because of various world wide political events that the demographic of people who oppose the use of large social media because of supposedly "no free speech" and such would increase. That doesn't do us on G+ much good though, and given we and Tumblr pornograpgers increase the MeWe numbers by basically a magnitude I would say the idea of being for free speech social media is a bad one.
ReplyDeleteFree speech is increasingly a requirement for me. Not entirely sure why that's bad.
ReplyDeleteSocial networks are only for fun and to chat and share pictures?
ReplyDeleteNo. I am on G+ for substantial interesting content.
The fluff (and good content too) I can get on FB.
Maybe Openbook since Per Siden vouches for it.
I like the random feed of g+ mixed categories..mewe is to like insta in that respect. you pick a category. N thats it..
ReplyDeleteWhite Diamond Mark is right about Facebook, but his job isn't to bash Facebook. It's to sell MeWe. And he's not doing that effectively. I'm not going to MeWe because I hate Facebook, I'm going to MeWe because I like MeWe. Mark doesn't seem to understand that, which is a potential amount of users are being turned off.
ReplyDeleteWhen you said "MeWe is a good site if you would get your head outta the clouds and just focus on the site and not the CEO."
That's my point. Mark should get his head out of the toxic clouds of Facebook and just focus on the site of MeWe. Focus on what makes MeWe great.
Is it stuff like circles and communities? Then Mark should dedicate 90% of the convo to stuff like that. Instead, he devotes 90% to free speech, privacy, Facebook's BS, #Not4sale, etc. And that's because he truly doesn't know why Mewe is great, or why G+ users like Mewe. If he did, he's talk about the features.
Mewe is in a long line of chat based services, but they have the ability to do it better, and right. Tell us about it, Mark. I don't care about Facebook's BS, I already know. I want to know more about what MeWe is doing.
And yet, Mark probably doesn't know how Mewe is doing, aside from the numbers.
Notice that I don't hate MeWe. I think it's cool. But Mark Weinstein seems to be missing the point of MeWe and is talking about things that will turn potential people off down the line.
Also, MeWe Mark isn't actually appealing to Google Plus users. MeWe is. Mark Weinstein sounds like the glib con artist that most people avoid. The site is good, he's obnoxious. Maybe if he try toning down the pitch and talk about the services, he'd interest double the amount of people.
Grim Jim Sure, free speech and privacy are important, but if Mark wants to effective promote the site, he should talk about the features.
ReplyDeletePrivacy and Free Speech aren't features (as in IPs). They are perks. He can talk about the perks. But please give users announcements of Mewe's functionality and features.
Only read the first half or so but I definitely agree
ReplyDeleteDiana Studer Fine, you're on G+ for substantial interesting content. But I'm sure you find substantial interesting content fun, am I right?
ReplyDeleteThat's my point. MeWe should talk about what's fun about the site, or rather substantial interesting content.
Openbook looks like it's going to be a G+ without the users, but as long as they promote their site, they've doing it right.
I'm with you - come to MeWe 'cos FB is worse ... is going to translate into a deluge of posts whining at FB ... no, thank you.
ReplyDeleteNot good to make the selling point, they, are worse.
Edward Morbius "It's possible for someone to be right about one thing and very wrong about another."
ReplyDeleteIt's often not trick. It's just very human.
Oh here we go again. Another person steeped in leftist ideology calling everyone nazis and getting mad that half of a user base isn't getting banned for having any thoughts right-of-extreme-left
ReplyDeleteThantiK I mean, there are unironic Nazi's on there, though most aren't, obviously.
ReplyDeleteWeinstein needs to do something, because MeWe isn't living up to it's potential. I don't like how it functions, especially of no outside links. That makes MeWe a Facebook type of site by keeping the data only in it's own ecosystem. What good is that, especially of G+ users who don't want to find in 2 years they have to migrate again?
ReplyDeleteSo far there's plenty of alternatives, but none fill G+ in what it offered. How difficult is it to have a G++ site (yes site for desktops, not only apps)?
And yes one that is clean of the trashiness seen on FB AND Twitter? Where content is king, not just posting vomit as "free speech"???
ThantiK I'm using Nazis as a literal example, since there literally are Nazis on Mewe. Mewe has taken it upon themselves to protect their freedom of speech. The question is: why should that be mewe's job? Let them go to Stormfront or whatever.
ReplyDeleteMewe's job should be to promote the features of mewe, something Mark Weinstein shows he has little experience on. In fact, I actually think he's just some CEO who's main job is to convince users that since Mewe isn't facebook, mewe is better than facebook. That's not enough.
He has a gold mine of positive things he could talk about in mewe, but he clearly doesn't. Would it kill him to familiarize himself with the backend of mewe a little more?
And that's my main point. It isn't that Mark Weinstein doesn't ban the Nazis (I think he should though). It's that he's too busy mucking up the cooler part of Mewe (groups and chat) in the mire of a flawed and narrow minded libertarian view of free speech and privacy. And it doesn't seem to be helping him sell Mewe as well as he could be.
It kinda works for now, but it isn't very effective, nor is it sustainable. As soon as the news cycles move on, Mark will presumably continue to talk about Facebook like a crazy jealous person, when he should talk about how good Mewe is.
And that's not cool, Mark.
Gary Gregory Why wouldn't it be their job? It's a fundamental human right.
ReplyDeleteEven features are secondary to content. Who’s on the site and what are they posting? What kinds of interesting discussions can they have there?
ReplyDeleteIf people cared about ease-of-use and technical features, they wouldn’t use Facebook. Facebook has a HORRIBLE, confusing user interface. And yet people spend a lot of time there. It’s because all their friends and family are there.
“Free speech” has become code nowadays for “we’re OK with letting white supremacists post on our site.” People who run discussion forums have a responsibility to police what is on their forum in some fashion. I favor a light hand for that kind of thing, but it’s irresponsible to just walk away and do nothing.
Gary Gregory Mark Weinstein likely wants his platform to aspire to this free speech ideal...
ReplyDeleteI disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it. ― Evelyn Beatrice Hall, The Friends of Voltaire
While you want the company to...
xkcd.com - xkcd: Free Speech
Grim Jim because Mewe's job is talking about the chat features and groups. Stormfront already is free speech for Nazis. Mewe doesn't have to be it.
ReplyDeleteGary Gregory If they want to be a free expression platform, as they seem to, then they do. That's the job. Free expression is also THE selling point for alternatives to Twitter/FB.
ReplyDeleteMitch Wagner What you've said, is what MeWe should actually be focused on.
ReplyDeleteFacebook has a HORRIBLE, confusing user interface? Cool, this is where Mewe comes in and talks about how much BETTER, and intuitive, their user interface is. But the cool features are what attracted Facebook users in the first place, so why not best Facebook in usability? I think Mewe could, but no one is promoting this awesomeness.
And yes, Mark and Mewe are irresponsibly allowing their site to be overrun by Nazis. No one but other nazis and white supermacists want to be around other nazis and white supermacists. So you won't lose much letting them go.
What does Mark do? He keeps them, probably because he needs all the users he can get. He foolishly thinks that he has to keep them around due to his "free speech" ideals. He's not censoring their speech, he's removing objectionable content and people, according to Mewe's TOS. At least, he should, but he doesn't. And that's also hurting Mewe's chances of growing.
Mark is sticking to his ideals, but his ideals are rooted in a misunderstanding of free speech and privacy. And when Mark talks about free speech and privacy, it's not the type of stuff the government, or even normal people, think about, so it's not resonating with as many people as it could.
What should Mewe do? A 180. Stop talking about free speech and privacy, except for the bare minimum. Talk about how cool Mewe's features are.
AND FOR THE LOVE OF GOD FIX THE BUGS!!!
Gary Gregory As for me, I will not support another walled garden with my content. ActivityPub is the future.
ReplyDeleteP.S. Normally I would have cited Godwin's Law for this post, and called it a day.
Mike Noyes Mark Weinstein's free speech ideals are a cover for his business practices. He needs every user he can get, so he defends their inclusion by saying he's protecting their "freedom of speech".
ReplyDeleteBut that's BS. Nazis and white supremacists already have stormfront, and they can make their own stuff. They aren't in danger of having their stuff censored in the public sector, but it is just in the private sector. And so what? Create your own things in yoru own corner.
Evelyn Beatrice Hall's quote and that XKCD comic aren't mutual opposites, they complement each other (and Mark should take note). Sure, no one should be jailed for free speech and we should uphold that. But when it comes to the private sector, the host or whoever reserves the right to kick out people based on what they say (not based on who they are such as race, sex, religion, etc.).
For example, the private sector is like someone's house. If someone is disrupting your house party with stupid opinions, causing your guest to be unhappy, you have the right, as a house party host, to kick out the offending person. Mewe isn't doing that, because their flawed, fundamental misunderstanding on free speech and privacy is hindering their good judgement and business sense.
So to summarize, I want both Evelyn Beatrice Hall's quote and that XCKD comic. And Mewe should too.
You can't have all of them, you can only have Evelyn's one.
ReplyDeleteThe public square is in private hands, and that's dangerous.
Denying someone use of a platform you own is not denying them their free speech rights. They still have the freedom to use their own platform, or somebody else’s platform who is more congenial to their message .
ReplyDeleteI’ve been banned from reddit.com/r/politics. My free speech has been in no way compromised.
(The reason for my being banned is completely uninteresting. Go ahead and ask if you’re interested. You’ll be sorry you did.)
As for censorship ... many years ago, in the very early 90s, I was very active on a forum moderated by a fiercely intelligent self-educated military vet. When some young punk came along and accused him of censorship, he calmly responded, “Yes we have censorship here. I am the censor.” And yet the place hosted many freewheeling discussions on a wide range of topics.
There are all varieties of libertarians. Some are extremists who believe the state should be limited to police, military, and enough courts to enforce contracts. Others are just small government conservatives, who believe government solutions should be the solutions of last resort.
ReplyDeleteI am, I note, neither. :)
Grim Jim They can use whatever selling point they want, but if they do that they miss out on the other things that's valuable about MeWe. And the way they promote Mewe is only digging themselves into a mire of controversy later down the line. That is, the emperor will soon be pointed out as having no clothes.
ReplyDeleteBut I don't know why I can't have both quotes? Is it because it makes my argument, or because they are truly incompatible with one another? If the former, OK. If the latter, can you show how?
Shawn H Corey The two are not mutually exclusive...!
ReplyDeleteIt is a peculiar form of "freedom" which requires me to host speech I find evil.
ReplyDeleteSomewhat modifying my above argument: Community platforms that brag loudly about their support for free speech are probably not themselves Nazis. But here in 2019 "we value free speech" has become bat-signal that attracts Nazis and all other manner of speech that you'd scrape off your shoe if you step in it. Free speech platforms need to accept responsibility for that.
Mitch Wagner exactly, and according to Mewe's TOS, they should. But don't, because their idea of free speech leads them to host, or at least tolerate, the hate speech. And when Mark is confronted with this, he ignores it. He's hoping it just "goes away".
ReplyDeleteHe could have avoided all of this if only he concentrated on the services of Mewe, rather than his personal ideals of free speech and privacy.
Gary Gregory MeWe is Mark Weinstein's private walled garden. Use of his platform means you play by his rules.
ReplyDeleteSuggestion: start your own social media platform to compete with MeWe. It'd likely have better results than trying to change MeWe as a user.
John Lewis Does this post fall under...
ReplyDeleteplus.google.com - DO NOT NEGATIVELY COMMENT ON THREADS WHERE PEOPLE ARE ANNOUNCING THEIR DESTIN...
Mike Noyes Mark Weinstein is also ignoring his own rules. Mewe doesn't stand for nazism, according to his TOS. Mewe should ban them. Yet, Mewe doesn't ban them since they would represent a drop in numbers. So then, in their own game, they move the goalpost.
ReplyDeleteMark hides behind free speech as justification to keep mewe's numbers inflated, even with people who go against the TOS. People will take note of that.
And by they way, this post doesn't fall under the Owner's warning, because I created it. I'm free to criticize Mewe in a post I created (but not in a post someone else created). That's fair.
Steve Vasta True but most of the time is is by accident, not malice.
ReplyDeleteMike Noyes No, it does not.
ReplyDeleteJohn Lewis doesn't want signalflare / migration posts getting mobbed by MeWe criticisms, because that might discourage others from posting contact information at all. Discussion in other threads/posts on G+MM is acceptable.
(Discussed elsewhere.)
Mike Noyes Yes. But. I have yet to use any social media, including G+, that wasn't critiqued in blistering terms by its users for one thing or another. Mindful of their flaws, I will use each for what works (well, for the time being, at least).
ReplyDeleteI've tried #mewe along with #pluspora 3 times and ended up deleting my accounts. I don't see point of this alternative social media thing on my way of using. I was using #googleplus because it was seo friendly and connected to my blogger and I didn't had #instagram back then. I've never had more than 900 followers and 5-10 likes on my best post in G+ ... I've never made any friends or anything. At least in instagram my posts reach 40-50 people. In Twitter I have some interesting contacts like cast of Frasier and few great artists and at least in Facebook I have some family and arguable friends. What will I have on an alternative social media? In mewe there was already a semi naked girl who getting a lot of attention. Why people ever want a boring guy with landscape photos and render? I think I'll let my G+ demise and don't sweat on a making everything from scratch in an alternative social media environment that no one cares.
ReplyDeleteKerem Go I really wish Google would come up with a solid alternative to a social media, something substantial. However, they'll probably let that go to the wayside as well. And who would trust it? I still believe that Google Plus communities can be salvaged, but I wonder if Google Plus thinks so?
ReplyDeleteEither way, Mewe does have a massive spam probably, and really if it isn't nazis and white supremacist, it's naked people. They need to clean house of all spammy elements before people rightfully deem their site to be unusable.
Of course, mewe is way too busy telling you that it doesn't have Facebook's BS, it's Not4Sale and it's new gen. Mewe is turning into a meme and the worst parts of corporate marketing consumerism.
Gary Gregory I think those of us using MeWe should be aware of your warnings. On the other hand, there are significant problems that cripple other social media, too. A statistical comparison might be useful, though in this particular one, none of the downsides are displayed.
ReplyDeleteleveragestl.com - www.leveragestl.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/Social-infographic_2018.pdf
Jeff Diver true, but those social media networks are established with loads of investment. Facebook, for example, is too big too fail ,(someone tell Mark Weinstein).
ReplyDeleteBut MeWe? It's on the way out due to bad business marketing, stale designs, no innovative IPs and not cleaning spam. Mark is really holding MeWe back.
Gary Gregory wrote: Facebook, for example, is too big too fail...
ReplyDeleteFriendster -> MySpace -> Google+
Things change.
Mike Noyes Those weren't big enough, and what the term "too big too fail" means isn't that they cannot fail. It means:
ReplyDelete"certain corporations, particularly financial institutions, are so large and so interconnected that their failure would be disastrous to the greater economic system, and that they therefore must be supported by government when they face potential failure."
When Facebook is hit with a ton of lawsuits, corporations will lobby on behalf of Facebook. They will do this because a lot of traffic to their website (not all) is tied into their ads and pages on Facebook. They'd rather not let that traffic dissipate.
When Facebook gets in more legal trouble, you'll hear the words "too big to fail" in the news.
en.wikipedia.org - Too big to fail - Wikipedia
Gary Gregory I'm well aware of the term and its meaning. Remember when people used to say "No one gets fired for buying IBM"?
ReplyDeleteMike Noyes If you were well aware of the term, why did you write your previous post as if "too big to fail" meant something opposite of what it actually meant? Your previous post suggests that Facebook could fail, which it most likely will some day. But that's not the point...
ReplyDeleteI wrote "too big to fail" as a reminder of how businesses, and maybe even the government (I don't know about that), view Facebook. They see Facebook as a value source of income, and data collection, so they will lobby together keep it afloat. Facebook will be the old media of the internet one day, and every brand who sees Facebook as value to their revenue will try to damage control and lobby to support it. Notice how, even though Facebook went through those scandals, the majority of brands (and politicians) are still with it to this day.
This is why Mark Weinstein's marketing ploy around "Facebook's BS" is doomed. He's making good points about Facebook's BS, but he's banking on the fact that Facebook's days are numbered. Facebook is losing members, but not so many that it can't restructure, bounce back and still retain it's place as king of social media.
Mark is trying to make it seem as if a large amount of people are migrating from Facebook, when in fact it's just a small group of users dissatisfied with the spying. A lot of that group are people no one wants in their group, so Mewe taking them in shoots their reputation in the foot. Also, Facebook isn't going anywhere anytime soon, and there's enough hip people on the site that it's still very much "new gen" itself.
My whole point has been that Mewe is a cool place to be, but Mark Weinstein is making people think otherwise. He's also letting crappy spammy people dictate his site. How do I know? Instead of simply getting rid of spam, he removed the search bar to keep people from finding it. That's a "sweep dirt under the rug" philosophy, it's bad shady business and reflects poorly on Mewe as a whole.
This is the type of stuff that should get more news media sites to criticise Mewe. But it won't, because Mewe isn't big enough. No one cares about what Mewe has to say about "Next Gen", Not4Sale, Facebook's BS, yadda yadda yadda, look at ME...We guys! The news is sparingly talking about MeWe, because they don't think it's worth the time. They think it'll just slag off. And if Mark doesn't take his head out of his butt and do two things, it will.
What two things?
1. Concentrate on the pros of MeWe
2. Clean up/get rid of spam/deplorables.
Stop making it about free speech and privacy, when free speech isn't being threatened in the sense of what free speech means. People want "right speech" and no data collection. So Mark Weinstein completely misunderstands what people really want, which is bad business sense yet again.
Mewe is a cool place to be, but going from G+ is like jumping from a sinking ship to a boat full of leaks. I'm not betting on MeWe as a permanent home for anyone in the next ten years, let alone ten months.
Gary Gregory We'll see. As I said earlier; "Things change."
ReplyDeleteMike Noyes Mike, I don't doubt things change, but that's missing the point of what I'm talking about.
ReplyDeleteEither way, fair enough. "Things change."
And if Mewe doesn't change its business practices, Mewe will change for the worst. As in, it'll be gone because no one will want it.
Gary Gregory I think the fate of walled gardens is already written.
ReplyDeleteMike Noyes Fair enough, I agree.
ReplyDeleteMind you, I've been over on MeWe for a while and never read any of the official news there, so I probably haven't read anything by Mark Weinstein .
ReplyDeleteThen again I'm there for the GROUPS, and seldom post outside of that on MeWe. I do more posting on Friendica.
Diana Studer Right now OpenBook isn't open:-)
ReplyDeleteI think most of your comments are fair, but it's a bit more of a rant than analysis. I'm taking a wait and see position on MeWe, while also evaluating other platforms.
ReplyDeleteI have seen the hating, dipshits posting their toxic venom in the comments on "Pages" on MeWe. I wonder how long "free speech" will remain unchecked as Orgs like NY Times decide not to pay for a feature that is really a troll-magnet that they have no control over.
What I have also found on MeWe are some quality communities from G+ to spend time in. While I've seen some of MeWe's underbelly, I'm not exposed to it in these places.
It will be interesting how many G+ orphans MeWe will retain, and how the Spammers, Trolls and Alt-Morons are dealt with. The former probably depends on the latter.
The flip-side is that with all the thoroughbreds in Google's stable the G+ journey has been a little lost, most of the time. They clearly didn't understand their offering. So I don't feel it fair to set the bar too high for the upstarts:-)
John Soanes but I am among the four thousand plus on the waitlist ...
ReplyDeleteJohn Soanes You make good point. And I can see how I ranted in my analysis. But I don't believe that censoring deplorable elements is setting the bar too high. If anything, this is what MeWe should be doing on the site. Mark should pitch the site's features.
ReplyDeleteFrankly, any site that focuses on "privacy" is doomed to fail. That's saying you're on the site for the sake of being on the site. There has to be other features, and other people, for it to be a real catch. MeWe is lacking in both.
But I'm still on MeWe because I have hope. Not in Mark, but MeWe (even though the former directs the latter). Still, if MeWe's been around long enough and rebranded itself this way, then it might be time for me to look elsewhere.
Here's hoping for the best!
Diana Studer You can pay a little for early access. I'm thinking about it ...but not hard:-)
ReplyDeleteHere's a current woe of a community I'm with on MeWe. Because how MeWe setup groups, those migrating off of G+ to MeWe first have to find the group, and the RIGHT group, as similar groups exist there with similar names. So the community leaders, in a way to help newcomers find the correct community, briefly changed their name to the incoming G+ community. Now they can't share links. It's a bug confirmed by MeWe.
ReplyDeleteI need to find another platform that is desktop friendly, because a broken community and no outside links isn't helping. :(
Kevyne Kicklighter I don't think MeWe was actually prepared to be a top player in the social networking scene. It takes more than just slamming Facebook and having "no BS". There's a lot of stuff they still need to work on, and hopefully they can before April 2nd. If not, MeWe might be a lost cause and massively disappointing let down.
ReplyDeleteI have faith in MeWe. Here's hoping!