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I'm going to hear this from all my G+ friends who tried to warn me: "I TOLD YOU SO".

I'm going to hear this from all my G+ friends who tried to warn me: "I TOLD YOU SO".

I joined MeWe in December after hearing the news of G+ shutting down. I joined MeWe despite warnings about all the extremists and societal rejects of all sorts. I thought, the space is surely big enough to accommodate moderate mainstream liberal politics, right? WRONG.

While MeWe claims they don't shadow ban, it's a big fat lie. Our humble little liberal politics group, is very active and growing, as were a number of other liberal and progressive politics groups. I just did a search for our group and it no longer is searchable. Up until a couple of weeks ago it was searchable. I searched for other liberal groups and there are only a couple still remaining out of gajillions of extremist political groups.

It turns out that all one has to do is report a group for whatever made up reason and MeWe automatically removes your group from being searchable, thus starving the group from growing. One would have to have the link to share the group.

Their feedback and support are useless. They don't notify the owner of any complaints, they just make you disappear. No way to arbitrate.

So when you hear that MeWe is a wasteland of nazis and white nationalists and other angry cretins, it is by design. It is true. And I humbly hang my head in shame for thinking we moderate Plussers could make a difference.

On the bright side, I am so thrilled to have found Youme as an alternative. I wish Jamez great success. I'm confident the Youme site will be much improved over any of the crap platforms out there.

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  1. I think YouMe Social will be a good place for Google Plus groups. I hope more people take advantage of it.

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  2. Di Cleverly I hope so too. I already see a lot of faces I recognize. Once G+ shuts down, I hope to see many more!

    While it's still going through growing pains, it shows a lot of promise, and seems to have fair policies. And feedback and support are absolutely fantastic.

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  3. I like Youme as well. Jamez Frondeskias and his team are very responsive to feedback.

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  4. There are a bunch missing. And look how few members they have. Once their groups (of those listed who are actually liberal) hit the crosshairs of extremists they will be gone too.

    Also, when you select the Politics group to search there are even fewer options available. Mostly extremists and Trump lovers.

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  5. The search algorithm is shocking though.

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  6. Mitcy Dupres Shocking indeed. When I used keyword 'liberal' on my iPhone app look what jumped to the top....our group Sensible Politics as well as the other popular liberal groups. When I browse under Politics on my iPhone app it disappears. When I search via web browser it doesn't come up for me either. https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/z0ENOt1SnJ5jLpXGzuGc3Cd760mnyVYb_Rs1cpbqrlHikxbsrkXmS0rBA77xjIfy00sKMeQc2PHj7kY=s0

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  7. Mitcy Dupres Shocking indeed. When I used keyword 'liberal' on my iPhone app look what jumped to the top....our group Sensible Politics as well as the other popular liberal groups. When I browse under Politics on my iPhone app it disappears. When I search via web browser it doesn't come up for me either. https://plus.google.com/photos/...

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  8. I don't think it's shadow banning, I think it's a really poor search routine. The groups section is pathetic all over to be fair. I'm still trying to fathom what activity puts the group at the top of your group list. So far I think it's based on the position of the stars.

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  9. Mitcy Dupres It's definitely a suspicious search algorithm when all one can easily find are extremist and right wing groups.

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  10. Jill H Hi, Jill. Was trying to inquire incognito about this mess, because behind MeWe's front door, you learn the worst. _

    But Youme.social looks to be not a stable network, yet (just looking at avatars, the download is throttled, meaning the owner is limiting bandwidth = economic problems. AND it'll use the ad model, the same model Facebook had it's privacy problems with).

    It's domain also isn't top domain. SEO always favors top domains on searches and getting traffic (so needed for groups to grow). Let alone not being accidently forwarded to EYE OPENING lower domain sites. :/

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  11. Kevyne Kicklighter Youme is in its infancy. I expect it to keep getting better. I can't speak to some of the things which you mention because I'm not a very technical person. However, I do know they are getting ready for a big upgrade in March. I don't know any details other than it's gonna be a big improvement.

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  12. Sorry to hear that... I was on MeWe too. Tried is 3 times actually and ended up deleting my account 4th time however not because I faced with racism of anything, I just got bored. It wasn't possible for me to promote my work there like I did on G+

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  13. Kevyne Kicklighter he is not experiencing economic problems. He's upgrading the site at the moment. YouMe Social is definitely going to be worth checking out.
    And this is the first I've heard about ads on the site. Did you hear that from Jamez Frondeskias himself?

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  14. Di Cleverly re: YouMe.social (YMS) There are no ads, no economic issues, and the site is undergoing upgrades next month.


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  15. al m yes, he sure does. And thanks for clarifying what I thought was the case.

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  16. Di Cleverly Here's the problem: front door, you go to check it out. Just browse WHAT public face of the network has up ... and the avatars are downloading like it's on dialup (that's s-l-o-w). Either they're bandwidth throttling; or, needing to upgrade the infrastructure AGAIN.

    Now you're saying they're coming up with a big upgrade on the 5th of March (when the 7th we lose notifications on G+)???

    I'm pessimistic. Seen billion dollar companies trying to sell junk too many times. It's prove it time now -- and if they can sustain it. All big IFs. Not going to invest time and energy in another "take it or leave it" social network, until they DO get that front door and central features up and running on DAY ONE.

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  17. Kevyne Kicklighter Hi, I'm not the one to talk about anything technical...so I won't ;)

    It's helpful to apply skepticism. It can only help us make better decisions.

    Have you chosen were you're migrating?

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  18. Kevyne Kicklighter those are much more valid reasons for hesitation than repeating rumors that the site has economic problems and is going to run ads, which it isn't. I suppose it just remains to be seen.

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  19. Kevyne Kicklighter

    But Youme.social looks to be not a stable network, yet (just looking at avatars, the download is throttled, meaning the owner is limiting bandwidth = economic problems. AND it'll use the ad model, the same model Facebook had it's privacy problems with).

    It's domain also isn't top domain. SEO always favors top domains on searches and getting traffic (so needed for groups to grow). Let alone not being accidently forwarded to EYE OPENING lower domain sites. :/

    I love how you have drawn such wide-reaching conclusions.

    Economic problems? You mean I have already blown a six digit budget on what Youme.Social is right now? Seriously?

    What ad model. I have never said I will run advertisements on Youme.social.

    Reading what you have written, you are simply scaremongering people. Which makes me wonder why?

    As the others who are actually on Youme.social have pointed out, there is a new site being launched shortly. IF there were "economic" problems, do you think I would be spending more money on a site, which according to your implied comments - I can not fund?

    As for the choice of domain name, it suits the purpose of the site. I honestly don't care what SEOs think about non top domains.

    The site is growing by the way, not through search results and SEO .. but rather by word-of-mouth. And its the way I want it to be. I want the members who love the site to promote it. Its the best way to promote a place.

    And why would you be "accidently forwarded to EYE OPENING" domains? What. Can't people - which is what you are implying - remember how to type youme.social?

    Lets throw something for you to consider.

    Youme.social's budget is a 6 digit figure solely funded by myself. When the new site is up, the only thing I will need to worry about is the hosting, which isn't a lot.

    WeMe or is it MeWe .. always get it confused ... raised through VCs $10 million. Where has all that money gone? What it is now is worth $10m?

    Also VCs don't throw money around without expecting a return on it. So here is something else to ponder - how are they going to make money?

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  20. Kevyne Kicklighter one final thing.

    Now you're saying they're coming up with a big upgrade on the 5th of March (when the 7th we lose notifications on G+)???

    You mean, the world ends when notifications are gone on G+? Really?

    IF G+ was shutting down on the 7th, then I'd would somewhat agree with you, but the end of notifications doesn't mean the end of G+

    I hope that my responses help allay your fears, doubts et al

    Jamez Frondeskias
    Owner and sole funder of Youme.social

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  21. Kevyne Kicklighter Just to be clear, only the G+ notifications under the bell in the browser are going away.

    You will still get notifications in the mobile app, and at https://plus.google.com/notifications/all (which you can reach via "Notifications" on the sidebar on desktop).

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  22. Di Cleverly Just READ the their privacy policy. Unless you're saying this is a lie....

    "You may consult this list to find the Privacy Policy for each of the advertising partners of YouMe Social.

    Third-party ad servers or ad networks uses technologies like cookies, JavaScript, or Web Beacons that are used in their respective advertisements and links that appear on YouMe Social, which are sent directly to users' browser. They automatically receive your IP address when this occurs. These technologies are used to measure the effectiveness of their advertising campaigns and/or to personalize the advertising content that you see on websites that you visit.

    Note that YouMe Social has no access to or control over these cookies that are used by third-party advertisers."
    youme.social - Privacy Policy

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  23. Kevyne Kicklighter how quaint. You avoid talking to me lol

    That is a standard privacy policy. However, as the owner of the site, there will be no advertising.

    Where would you recommend everyone go?

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  24. I'm not lying about this stuff, I'm like anyone else wanting to be free of how data is corraled; how it's used; and who has control of it. WHY to read these network policies FIRST.

    Money IS a factor in setting up a network, got to pay the bills like any other business.

    That privacy policy clearly shows they're looking into advertising to pay for those bills. And CLEARLY stated they have zero control of what 3rd parties do with their data mining (which is true).

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  25. Kevyne Kicklighter cut the garbage.

    unlike the other social media sites, you are talking to the owner here.

    Obviously you didn't bother to read what I wrote earlier about funding.

    So come clean - what are your motives behind canning my site?

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  26. Jamez Frondeskias I don't know WHO you are from Adam, I am going by what is on the site itself.

    Is what is on the youme.social privacy policy page true or not? Yes or no?

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  27. Kevyne Kicklighter there you go again. I have already told you who I am ... the actual owner of youme.social

    If you bothered to read the other comments, Kristin Moran and Di Cleverly have both stated who I am.

    So, back to my question - why are you canning my site?

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  28. Jamez Frondeskias When? AFTER I POSTED.

    I don't know any of those people. Came online and just read all the stuff.

    Good God. Get your own house in order before yelling at others. People can only go on with the information that is publicly available. We can't read your specialness. We can't peer into your mind to see the grand plan ahead.

    What we have is NOW in writing.

    Now is your privacy policy on the youme.social page true or not???

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  29. Kevyne Kicklighter let see.

    You come on here because a G+ member went to MeWe, didn't like it, came to my site and is quite happy.

    You come on and start bagging my site, no end.

    Despite quite a lengthy post by me after your bagging, you still continued to bag it.

    So I am really dubious as to why you are doing it, and of course, you refuse to reply to my simple question of why are you bagging my site

    When someone refuses to answer a question as simple as that - from their very first post - then one does get angry.

    For the record - our privacy policy does state advertising. Why? Because my lawyers advised me to include it, even if youme.social never carries advertising. Just to make it totally clear youme.social will NOT carry advertising - now or in the future

    For the record - it seems every time someone mentions MeWe and how they hated it, and moved to my site, people crop up to bag it. In the end, every single one of them have accounts at MeWe.

    Motives?

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  30. Jamez Frondeskias Motives? I tell you my motives.

    1. Was FORCED to join G+ to even comment on YouTube videos.

    2. Now FORCED off of G+ because it's closing. 7 years of data collected and it's not really portable.

    3. So we had to find a "new home". Came here on potential offerings.

    4. You are the only one ever to argue so ugly about a network I've inquired about, period. And over your OWN privacy page, even!

    So I ask you, what is YOUR motive?

    If you think trying to browbeat people to LIKE your network, that isn't going to work after all what happened on G+.

    Be a little bit MORE considerate of people who spent nearly a decade on a platform FORCED into it and off!

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  31. Kevyne Kicklighter Nobody's forcing you into any other network, and you were the one who made 2 and 2 equal 5 over a perfectly standard statement in any site's T&Cs.

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  32. Kevyne Kicklighter I was being considerate by answering your original questions in depth.

    I don't browbeat anyone to like my network. Every single member has joined because they tried the others and found them lacking. Every one of them have joined through word of mouth.

    I have been on Google+ since it was still in beta mode, by invite only. Every single person who actually knows me here, knows that I am a very tolerant and easy going person.

    You know the main difference between youme.social and the others?

    The easy access to the owner of the site. Try messaging the owners on the other sites, and see how far you get. [With the except of Pluspora where Di Cleverly co-owns and runs]

    Every change that has happened on youme.social is because I have an open door policy for the members. They want features? I look at what is being suggested, and the vast majority of the time they get implemented.

    Unlike the others, youme.social is a member-driven site with me being the final decider as I am paying for it.

    I have allocated a 6 digit figure for youme.social out of my own funds. Even if I were to drop dead tomorrow, the funds will keep youme.social fully financed for a couple of centuries. Its that affordable. And for the record, the money is "spending money for me". I can live without it.

    The hosting company I am using has unlimited bandwidth, unlimited storage - and its been around for quite a long while. So we are not going to run out of bandwidth or storage.

    So why even go down the path of setting up youme.social?

    Its my way of saying "thank you" to the people on Google+ who I have been friends with since day 1.

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  33. Julie Wills Not saying that, I answered his question of "motives".

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  34. Kevyne Kicklighter Yes you did. Frustration over G+ and how Google has treated us, is a common thing among many here.

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  35. Jamez Frondeskias Let me put it straight up to you: settle down. You want fairness, try to understand where people come from.

    Secondly, don't accuse. "Motives" is accusing.

    Thirdly, people have their opinions of these networks. Get used to it. Learn to handle critiques. People also have some knowledge of these matters. We're not all 24 year-olds. I understand what goes into this stuff from my own experience in owning a server and running it before "THE Cloud" came in. Remember the days of XHTML was going to reform the internet? Yeah, we're not all newbies here.

    Forthly, people don't know you. You're not Gates or Bezo. All I saw was a critic. I'd talk to the POTUS the same way as I do you, especially being that defensive. Furthermore, I can't be online 24/7 on your whim to answer; and I am still reading what's said. Your fanboi team doesn't help.

    So restart and don't bite unless you like a few chunks taken off too! Good God, not had even a cup of coffee, yet!

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  36. Kevyne Kicklighter how can you not have a cup of coffee yet? For me, its out of bed ... straight to the coffee. Most of the time I'd swear I am sleep walking to it lol

    Lets chat, if you want, in a couple of days :)

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  37. Jamez Frondeskias it's 10am here, and waking up it's the chore (I'm disabled).

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  38. Kevyne Kicklighter 5pm here and recovering from a very bad cold. Been knocked out for the last few days ... first day up.

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  39. The offer though for a chat, is a genuine one. That is, if you want.

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  40. I think the most important point may be that YouMe Social and Pluspora were both started by longtime plussers who were devastated by the death of our beloved home. You need look no further for motives. We just want people to continue the spirit and community that we've formed here. ❤️

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  41. Di Cleverly I took my frustrations out on Kevyne Kicklighter.

    Not good. Nothing personal against him, just kind of fed up with the other peoples' posts who bag the site without even being part of it.

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  42. Jamez Frondeskias there's a lot of that going around lately, sadly. It is really frustrating, so perfectly understandable.
    I prefer to savor the last few weeks of us all being together. So many have already left.

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  43. Di Cleverly yeah. I'll hang around till the end. Whether I am active or not, is another issue.

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  44. Fanboi? Snort

    Hey Jamez Frondeskias , do you have an idea for what to call Youme users? I remember similar discussions when G+ was new. Plusverse was my favorite, but anything that is recognizable works, and it doesn't have to be a plus-tocracy.

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  45. It's not shadowbanning, that has been happening to many groups, it's a bug when you change from open to selective group membership.

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  46. Mark Stronge Thanks. Good to know. Too bad I can't get any feedback from MeWe after multiple attempts to contact them. I wonder why all the selective groups with white supremacists and Trump groups are still searchable. There are tons of 'em with thousands of members.

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  47. Jill H It's probably database related. Sites that rapidly grow will have database problems.

    When Blizzard Entertainment upgraded their server network, others and I couldn't level our guilds for 6 months. Others were fine. It was found to be a bug in the database (injecting data from backups is never a smooth process). Took 6 months to finally fix it in a patch.

    If it happens with others, it's a known bug (and God, the way databases are structured, it's a mess trying to fix the problem, too).

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  48. Kevyne Kicklighter Given the incredibly high number of extremists groups still visible I'm more suspicious that it's intentional.

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  49. Kristin Moran Hopefully a few names will get tossed around and through time something will stick and be adopted by members. Any suggestions?

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  50. Jamez Frondeskias​
    Hallo!,... Jamez, kann ich den Inhalt auf dem/deinem youme social Netzwerk sehen, auch ohne ein eigenes Konto zu besitzen?

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  51. Andi Droid as of the launch of the new site next week, the public stream will be view-able externally.

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  52. Jamez Frondeskias I wanted to take a look at your network but I decided to read the Privacy Policy first and this freaked me out. Especially the part about third-party ad servers or ad networks. Why is that included in the Privacy Policy if you don't intend to serve ads?

    Another question. Do you have plans to federate with e.g. Diaspora by supporting their protocol or do you only want to use your own?

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  53. Jamez Frondeskias Thanks for that! Honestly, I haven't looked at YouMe at all, because I don't care to join up first before seeing what a site is like. So I look forward to being able to see something of it.

    FWIW, I have found your explanations in this thread very informative.

    As for the earlier comment "Forthly, people don't know you." ... I don't think that's accurate. You've got thousands of followers and while that may not seem like much (once you cut out the bots and inactives), it still leaves a lot of us Plussers who know you well enough to know basically what you're about. On social media, of course.

    I mean like, obviously you post a lot on G+. That gives us some idea of what your vision for how a social media site is used and what's fun about it. I don't need to know you personally to have some idea of what you're going for. (Although I'll admit it's not perfect insight - someone who looked at my G+ posts wouldn't see the ideas I'm taking from tumblr in my diaspora CSF project, and other ideas which extend/hybridize tumblr/G+./diaspora)

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  54. Jamez Frondeskias​
    Dank für die Antwort!!
    Ja, das ist gut, denn es ist auch für viele wichtig, lieber Jamez. Denn kluge Menschen wollen erst sehen und dann entscheiden, ob es das richtige für eine Registrierung ist.
    Bei uns gibt es ein altes Sprichwort: "Man kauft nicht die Katze im Sack!" Also, man nimmt nichts, was man nicht sehen kann!! ;))

    Zusätzlich sind geschlossene Gesellschaften [das sind für mich Plattformen, bei denen ich nicht vorher sehen kann!], für mich aus beispielsweise folgendem Grund inzwischen völlig sinnlos:
    Ich habe einige private Freunde, die sich nach dem Google+ Desaster leider aus dem social Media zurückziehen. Diese Freunde werden zukünftig kein eigenes Konto mehr anmelden!
    Aber diese Freunde möchten auch weiterhin meine Fotos/Werke sehen. Und ich möchte, dass diese Freunde die Möglichkeit dazu auch haben sollen!!
    Das war zum Beispiel ein wichtiger Bestandteil meiner Entscheidung, nach Flickr zu springen!!
    Es ist eine nette offene Gesellschaft. ;)

    Ich hoffe, dein social Media Netzwerk hat eine integrierte Übersetzer-Funktion, lieber Jamez!!!
    Eine derartige Funktion, so wie es hier auf G+ jetzt gewohnt ist, sollte im gesamten Internet unbedingt eine Standart-Funktion sein.
    Und für social Media Plattformen ist es sehr wichtig, geradezu eine Notwendigkeit!!
    Denn die Nutzer finden dadurch weltweit Freunde...
    Und man kann nicht voraussetzen, dass alle Menschen Englisch sprechen.
    Es gibt weltweit viele Menschen, die sprechen nur ihre eigene Heimatsprache.
    Wenn es keine integrierte Übersetzer-Funktion gibt, dann werden Menschen von der Teilnahme ausgeschlossen und das ist im höchsten Maße völlig unsozial, nicht akzeptabel und auch nicht im ursprünglichen Sinne des www!!!

    Das beispielsweise Flickr keinen richtig integrierten Übersetzer hat, erschwert die Kommunikation, innerhalb der Kommentare eines Bildes.
    Ich hoffe Flickr wird die Vorteile eines integrierten Übersetzers erkennen und zukünftig eine richtige, integrierte Übersetzer Funktion schaffen. Denn es wäre auch sehr Vorteilhaft für eine Diskussionsbelebung innerhalb der Gruppen.
    Es wäre also nicht nur für die einzelnen Nutzer, sondern auch von großem Vorteil für Flickr insgesamt.
    Nun ja, ich hoffe, du wusstest schon zu Beginn deiner social Media Plattform, wie notwendig eine integrierte Übersetzer-Funktion ist, lieber Jarmez!
    Beste Grüße :-))

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  55. People who have been banned elsewhere have ended up on mewe but that doesn't have to be reflective of the site. It is what you make it.

    There are only 30 of a staff at mewe so getting a response can take time when thousands of G+ users are whining in their ear too.

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  56. Mark Stronge At the rate things are going people who haven't been banned from sites, or their posts censored for PC reasons would be rare (was discussing Pellagra on Yahoo of all places, and trying to explain how that's why Southerners were named "rednecks", and "rednecks" was bleeped out to apparently not to offend "rednecks")!

    The world has gone crazy.

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  57. Mark Stronge I'm not whining. When my group has disappeared I have the right to know why. It's quite simple. Communities in G+ are all available to be searched. Why is some secretive algorithm applied which excludes all but far right extremists on MeWe?

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  58. Mark Stronge thousands of G+ users are whining in their ear too.

    Interesting. So a more appropriate question is - what is mewe doing to address those thousands of G+ers who migrated there and are not "whining".

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  59. Jamez Frondeskias Did you look at all the posts MeWe have made? They have been addressing G+ users especially. On 12th March or earlier they are bringing out an import tool so that google+ users can import their public collections.

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  60. Mark Stronge Can they add a Wiki or Quora style edit log? You can't add to a post after you post it without ripping the post markup. Can't even edit typos after the effect without destroying markup, too.

    Jill H And why can't we edit posts now? My own group it's fine.

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  61. Kevyne Kicklighter You can't edit posts on MeWe?

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  62. Mark Stronge was only asking due to the number of unhappy members. Am on MeWe but not what I wanted

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  63. Jill H Nope. Can't edit my posts on your group now.

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  64. You get to the edit option from the group stream, if you go into the post you can't edit.

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  65. Kevyne Kicklighter They have a group they post all updates to that all new members are a part of by default, it's called MeWe Updates and is a read only group

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  66. Mark Stronge It's hover over your post to find IF you can edit posts or not. If the group never had it for members you can't edit posts. You can edit posts down the thread if it's enabled.

    MeWe's editing system is horrible. It's been horrible since folks came from G+ over. It breaks formatting for the ENTIRE post if you edit ONE LETTER even.

    If they're concerned about censorship and all that, put up a Wiki or Quora style edit log. Then everyone would be satisfied.

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  67. Kevyne Kicklighter If something changed it's due to MeWe not us. Once I get to my laptop I'll take a look.

    There's a known glitch on Youme where some posts aren't editable. They are aware and hopefully fixed soon.

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  68. Jill H It's on every post on your group. It's not affecting mine.

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  69. Kevyne Kicklighter Very weird. Add it to the growing list of bugs on MeWe. Too bad they don't have any tech support to help out. It's a wasteland.

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  70. Jill H It's back to normal now.

    Let's see if editing doesn't wipe out all the formating of a post. Yes, change "l" to "I" and post formating like carriage returns especially are removed. If you add a link, it'll add a carriage return on top of the post. Have 3 or 4 links? That many spaces are at the top.

    It's the main reason I spend more time on Quora than MeWe. It's so annoying to FIGHT with the formating.

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