On preserving your photos.
https://slate.com/technology/2019/02/flickrs-mass-deletion-is-a-reminder-not-to-trust-cloud-storage.html
You Should Never Have Trusted Flickr to Protect Your Cherished Photos. And you shouldn't trust Facebook, Apple, Google, Instagram, Pinterest, tumblr, etc, etc, either.
So where should you put your photos so they're shareable on the web indefinitely or at least under your control instead some faceless FAANG?
https://slate.com/technology/2019/02/flickrs-mass-deletion-is-a-reminder-not-to-trust-cloud-storage.html
https://slate.com/technology/2019/02/flickrs-mass-deletion-is-a-reminder-not-to-trust-cloud-storage.html
You Should Never Have Trusted Flickr to Protect Your Cherished Photos. And you shouldn't trust Facebook, Apple, Google, Instagram, Pinterest, tumblr, etc, etc, either.
So where should you put your photos so they're shareable on the web indefinitely or at least under your control instead some faceless FAANG?
https://slate.com/technology/2019/02/flickrs-mass-deletion-is-a-reminder-not-to-trust-cloud-storage.html
"corporatized ephemerality"
ReplyDeletestill, behind the anonymity of the corporation are real people with names making the decision to delete, and eventually there will be individuals who give the instruction to delete. In each of the countries from whence we come, it is still a serious criminal offence to burn a book, let alone a library.
Wow. Reaction #1: Thanks for the heart attack! As I'm feeling grateful for having hi-res photos and albums and groups there, for years, and helping others find new homes for G+ photos and albums/collections.
ReplyDeleteThen I read this counter-bombshell. Mass deletion! Get ready!! Um, Flickr isn't going anywhere. (Heart-rate returning). It's the "sunset", yes, of their longtime unlimited free posts, with a pro package optional. The facts are (in sum), they have been sending out notices, similar to letters I suppose some G-plus "consumers" are getting, saying our sunset is coming.
Google says 'prepare to die', but Flickr only says, prepare to pay for large accounts, and gives its research saying the 1000 free image storage is on average more than double that used by those who stay long-term with Flick. I'm one, who spent far less time there for 8 years when the search engine and AI genius people at Google (nee "Don't be Evil") came along with Google +. I'm still on Flickr after 15 years and nowhere near the free limit.
For so many of us, not only was G+ a non-facebook which offered most social and fun things we wanted, but it wasn't (overtly) invading our privacy and selling us. (More like scraping us and feeding us back targeted ads). I digress.
So I have used less than half my space, with several big albums - like G+ Collections actually: public, all my ownership, & there for exhibit & feedback, and I do know people from their work and short posts, I follow a few, am followed by a few, and enjoy the groups. It just works.
I'm going to post more there now, maybe, as they'll be found where G+ posts no longer will. But nothing at all is going to eliminate me, to what Shteyngart calls (in Orwellian terms) "nullify our existence", displacing us and destroying records and works attesting to our lives with their family of visionaries. I have my own site, and storage, but many don't. We all want reliability and/or visibility &/or interactivity.
Short version: Flickr isn't mass exterminating most users. Serious pros who use the storage and features (from marketing to stats) will continue and most users won't notice anything, except it just working, no frills except great display, exif info, photographers' delights. They swore (Snugmug) that in their case they are going to STAY non-evil, and I've no reason to doubt it. Maybe more merchandise ads for free folk?
Meanwhile, where are we, yes, G+ still exists, toto.
I can also give an inside look at what I've learned immersing myself within the worlds of MeWe and Pluspora too, probably more objective than characterized in some places. One of the G+ refugees welcoming new immigrants/refugees to a group specific to that purpose, suggested I re-post my adventures as a G+ expat trying out the groups, seeing if I'd be ducking flying Nazis and porno, and seeing what the photography and social sharing (music, humor, etc.) have seemed like - to me. YMMV. I probably should post that somewhere on this side (the Old World, with many still here, just a bit numb, but ready).
Will do if anyone's interested. Meanwhile...
"Don't have a heart attack". Unless you have 1000's of photos on Flickr and all you have is them for backup, you're fine. No G-Bomb coming.
Yes, many will be in the same boat as we are now - thinking they're being wiped out. Free storage over 1000 photos, yes; accounts & all you've ever done, no! If/when needed, just go Pro.
TBC
Peter Quinton Having worked in the web space for well over 20 years, my staff frequently gave me a hard time for my antiquated (or obsessive) notion of insisting on multiple backups onsite and offsite of everything. Cloud storage was the thing, and I was behind the game. Now it seems that I'm ahead of the game again, but I still have my minimum 5 copies of everything held securely and with no risk of somebody deciding to delete my personal property. :)
ReplyDeleteNun, ich verstehe diesen Bericht nicht!
ReplyDeleteIch habe im Oktober ein kostenloses FlickrKonto genommen. Damals war es noch unbeschränkt.
Dann lief die Übernahme durch SmugMug, also der Ausstieg von Yahoo und es kam damit verbundenen die Mitteilung der Regeländerung.
Das kostenlose Flickr Konto wird auf max. 1.000 hochauflösende Fotos/Videos beschränkt. Bei Erreichung der 1.000er Grenze können alte Fotos gelöscht werden, damit man neue Fotos hochladen kann. Der Umstieg auf ein ProKonto [für $49,99 Jahresbeitrag] wird mit einem Preisnachlass unterstützt. Falls am Jahresende mehr als max. 1.000 Bilder auf dem kostenlosen Konto sind, wird Flickr die überzähligen Bilder löschen.
Nun, jeder Nutzer hatte fast drei Monate Zeit, sich zu überlegen, was er machen möchte...
Das preisreduzierte Angebot für unbegrezten Speicherplatz und umfangreiche Zusatzoptionen war ziemlich akzeptabel.
Und wenn man die Flickr internen Blog liest, sieht man, von den Einnahmen durch die ProKonten werden auch soziale Projekte finanziert und es gibt für soziale Gruppen die Möglichkeit, einen Antrag für ein kostenloses ProKonto zu stellen.
Ich selbst bin jedoch bei meinem kostenlosen Konto geblieben.
Falls ich unbegrenzten Speicherplatz benötigen sollte, dann kann ich jetzt schon sehen, wir werden diesen zukünftig wohl oftmals und fast überall bezahlen müssen.
Jetzt beginnt Flickr also die überzähligen Fotos, soweit vorhanden, in den kostenlosen Konten zu löschen.
Es war frühzeitig angekündigt!
Ich verstehe das Problem nicht. Es ist doch völlig legitim!
Und bezüglich der Rechte... Meine Bildrechte liegen bei mir!!! Ich halte mein Copyright, an meinen eigenen Bildern, in meinen Händen.
Man hat sehr umfangreiche Möglichkeiten [über PC/Laptop!!] der Kontokonfiguration!!!
Man kann es selbst auswählen, ob man seine Bildrechte freigibt oder ob man seine Bildrechte für sich behalten will.
Man kann sogar für jedes einzelne der eigenen Bilder die Copyright Einstellung auswählen, wenn man es denn möchte.
While I hate Flickr's decision and how they handled it, "Lots of Flickr users probably wish they’d kept their own backups right now, as inconvenient as those can be." is a bit of a moot point as Flickr offers a Data Takeout that contains all uploaded photos in their original size, complete with the metadata from Flickr's website.
ReplyDelete"So where should you put your photos so they're shareable on the web indefinitely or at least under your control instead some of faceless FAANG?"
ReplyDeleteI'm increasingly of the opinion that people should run their own cloud. "Someone else's server" is always going to be subject to someone else's rules. You own your own data by putting it on your own system.
Chris Sutton I take it 2 of your 5 backup locations are 3rd party Clouds? ;)
ReplyDeleteOn your own server, that you pay for.
ReplyDeleteMaybe on p2p collective storage like IPFS, but then you should be keeping online other's data like they do keep yours.
And the free service warrants you exactly as much as you pay for it.
There was a time when I had large collections on Flickr and they decided to limit how much you could have online without paying. Note that I always made my collections CC, so they are floating around out there, used by news sites and various other places.
ReplyDeleteAnd then I just decided I had enough and downloaded everything. I lost my formatting and groups, the collections are now scattered... but it's all local now and I'll never go back to Flickr for anything real.
Profit motives kill content.
Filip H.F. Slagter
ReplyDeleteAh!,... Ja, die Sache, dass man jederzeit von seinem Flickr Konto die eigenen Daten, auch inklusive der kompletten Inhalte, herunterladen kann...
Ich habe es noch nicht ausprobiert. ;)
Aber ich war sehr überrascht, es zu lesen, denn es gehört dort zu den grundsätzlichen Service Angeboten für alle Kontonutzer!
Und nachdem ich von der Machbarkeit, bei Flickr gelesen hatte, waren die Schwierigkeiten, die G+ seinen Kontoinhabern bezüglich Datentransfer bereitet, für mich völlig unverständlich!!
John Lewis
ReplyDeleteAh!,... Ich habe meine Fotos grundsätzlich immer auch auf eigenen, externen Festplatten. Ich habe es sogar doppelt gesichert. ;)
Denn ich habe immer Bedenken, jede Datenwolke könnte sich irgendwann vielleicht auflösen. ;))
Und bei einigen Datenwolken sind auch die Regeln für die eigenen Rechte am eigenen Bild nicht völlig sicher!
Aber ich nutze auch gerne einen zusätzlichen Ort für meine Bilder, die ich dann an verschiedenen Orten im Netz teilen kann.
Deshalb könnte ich später darüber nachdenken, ob es vielleicht das unbegrenzte Flickr sein kann.
Oh!,... CC ... Aber CC ist nicht kostenfrei, nein??
Andi Droid content set (before a certain date) to use a Creative Commons license is supposed to not be affected by the automatic removal from Flickr Free accounts. Whether those specific photographs still count towards your 1000 items limit, is not clear.
ReplyDeleteAs it's limited only to content uploaded and licensed as CC before a certain date, it is a moot point for newly uploaded content anyway.
Julian Bond Hi Julian, nope, 1 copy on workstation as a complete backup for easy access, 1 copy on offline backup NAS with 4 drives in RAID 5 config, 1 copy on live NAS with 4 drives in RAID 5 config, 3 copies on USB drives, 2 of which are stored at 2 different offsite secure locations (1 bank safebox, 1 kept in a fire safe at a friend's place.) and the offsite disks are rotated weekly with the onsite USB drive. I do a disk check on backups monthly and a test partial restore monthly to check disk integrity. It takes a bit of time to keep this up to date, but it took at lot more time to take and process more than 100K images as well as rip my digital music from my CDs and vinyl collection. I've replaced the USBs on a regular basis, disk life is always a risk, and of course storage requirements never decrease. There are things I could do better, but I'm relatively comfortable with this backup routine.
ReplyDeleteChris Sutton
ReplyDeleteWoW... Das scheint mir tatsächlich Sicherheit für Daten zu sein, lieber Chris!!!
Leider, so gut bin ich nicht...
Aber ich werde, im Bereich meiner Möglichkeiten der Datensicherung, von einigen privaten Freunden schon für übertrieben vorsichtig angesehen.
Jetzt denke ich, ich werde es so, wie es im Moment für mich möglich ist, auch weiter machen.
Dankeschön für deine Beschreibung!!!
Einen gelungenen Start in ein fantastisches Wochenende, für dich und beste Grüße : ))
Filip H.F. Slagter
ReplyDeleteDankeschön, lieber Filip, für die Erklärung!!!
Jetzt verstehe ich besser...
Ich bin mit den Fachbegriffen nicht gut.
Ich bin im Gegensatz zu dir ein ziemlicher Neuling! ;))
Einen gelungenen Start in ein erholsames Wochenende voller Fröhlichkeit für dich und beste Grüße : ))
Andi Droid Hi, I guess there's no such thing as absolute security of data no matter what we do, but I do like being in control of my data rather than somebody else. :) Hope your weekend is an enjoyable one as well.
ReplyDeleteChris Sutton
ReplyDeleteOh ja, ich denke auch so...
Und jeder sollte, im Bereich der eigenen Möglichkeiten, alles für die Kontrolle der eigenen Daten versuchen...
Und deine Beschreibung für Datensicherung empfinde ich Vorbildlich!!
Dankeschön, lieber Chris und beste Grüße : ))