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The Plexodus is a Month Old


The Plexodus is a Month Old

Google announced its intent to shut down Google+ on October 8, and we hit the one-month threshold this past Thursday. I thought I'd note some of the things that have and haven't happened in the past four weeks. Truth to tell the action wasn't entirely unexpected, and some of us have been wondering what took Google so long, but the announcement itself came without warning, out of the blue, and by all appearances, without any significant advance planning at Google itself.

What was originally 10 months to sunset is now 9.



Progress

From a dead start, there's been some fairly impressive progress on numerous fronts. Among those:


The Google+ Mass Migration community

We've crossed 3,000 members since 8 October, all current and active. The group was John Lewis's effort, several others started at roughly the same time, including one I'd launched still hovering under 100 people, though with good discussion.

Despite its size, G+MM has been well behaved and productive. We're wrestling with Google's half-built, bolted-on, and under-capability communities feature, but for now it is mostly working. Thanks to John Lewis for setting this up and my co-moderators for dealing with the very few issues that have come up.


G+ Alternatives Spreadsheet

Trey Harris provided the structure, Peter Maranchi has been keeping the editing in line. This is a hugely useful resource.

<https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1itbLtjWx2Cx88k2pqqwjY2j9vknLhoXpPXU52sTYbrI/edit?usp=sharing>


Pluspora

Di Cleverly and Dave Thiery's DIY home for Google+ refugees hosting over 7,000 users, virtually all added since 8 October. Whether a permanent or interim home, this is hugely useful both as a resource and as a learning tool for costs, considerations, and technical details in self-hosted option.

<https://pluspora.com>

(Note: Pluspora is only one of many Diaspora pods (https://podupti.me/), and you may join others or start your own. There are also other compatible Federated platforms including Frendica, Hubzilla, and more. Exploring options is useful.)


PlexodusWiki

There's a growing information resource for planning, processes, directories, and more. I'd suggested it would be nice to have a Wiki, Christian Buggedei set it up, and it's been rolling since.

<https://social.antefriguserat.de/>


Other Alternatives

There is a list of 250 "social media" applications (https://socialmedialist.org/social-media-apps.html), applying a generous definition, and several more structured lists at Wikipedia including:

∙ Social networking websites (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_social_networking_websites)
∙ Microblogging services (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_microblogging_services)
∙ Virtual communities with more than 100 million active users (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_virtual_communities_with_more_than_100_million_active_users)
∙ List of Internet Forums (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Internet_forums)
∙ Comparison of Wiki hosting services (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_wiki_hosting_services)
∙ Comparison of software and protocols for distributed social networking (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_software_and_protocols_for_distributed_social_networking)

Dividing these options into specific types, identifying use-cases, and making a determination of value and prospects is likely to be most useful to future decisionmaking. That classification is something that's been bothering me for the past several weeks and to which I'm planning on focusing on more intently.

As a general classification, and incomplete list, with some examples:

∙ Format / medium
∙ Tiny / short / medium / long
∙ Async / Sync
∙ Organisation: topic, group, social, organisational, ...
∙ Media type(s)
∙ Open / closed
∙ Public / private
∙ Simple (text) vs. complex (full HTML, multimedia, etc.)
∙ Proprietary
∙ Large/Established: Facebook, Twitter, Reddit, Instagram, ...
∙ New/Smaller: MeWe, Minds, Cake.co, SmugMug/Flickr, Tildes.
∙ Open and Federated systems
∙ The Fediverse/Federation: Disaspora, Friendica, Hubzilla, ...
∙ Solid
∙ Old school: Mailing lists, Usenet/groups (Google/Yahoo), IRC.
∙ Specialised focus: photos, video, chat, ...
∙ Specialised audience: interests, business, academic, ...
∙ Moderation policies & controls / ideological focus / tolerance
∙ Discovery, search,

Coming up with a clear presentation of these alternatives and their strengths and weaknesses is a key goal of mine for the next month.



Lots of People Making Plans

Individually and as groups, people are exploring, talking about, and making choices among temporary and permanent locations. MeWe and Reddit seem to be popular among communities, several have chosen Facebook.

Google Groups and Yahoo Groups, as well as old-fashioned mailing lists are another option, and are probably among the most flexible and useful options for groups on an interim basis.

Email can be somewhat messy, but it is very nearly universally available.



An Opportunity

I've also had several very interesting discussions with people who, as I do, see this as a tremendous opportunity to change the online landscape. These come along once a decade or so, and it's essential to be ready to act. Despite starting from a standstill there are exciting options available. My general suggestion has been prepare for at least an interim move by April 2019, which also means that that interim target should be ready to roll right now. Some of the exciting opportunities are not yet ready for prime time, and I am hesitant to recommend them now. They may still prove worthwhile ultimate goals.

Above all, thinking through you and your group's strategy matters, and recognising that there will be early, middle, and late movers may play into that thinking. My view is that the early movers are flexible and can re-home if their first choice proves unsatisfactory or premature, the late movers lack resources or initiative to make moves, and that middle movers are both deliberate and reluctant to subsequant change. I may be wrong, but I think the middle-crowd will be definitive.



No migration / sunset information out of Google

I'd really hoped that Google would say something regarding plans or support for migrating off Google+. There's been nothing for nearly a month, with the most recent G+ post being October 12, 2018 (https://plus.google.com/+googleplus/posts/gxoJEZfRjPd), largely reiterating the initial October 8 announcement.

David Thacker and Ben Smith are the names associated with these two announcements. Neither appear to have a G+ presence, active or otherwise.

There's another Google Cloud blog from October 11, 2018, by David Conway, "New enterprise-grade features in Google+ help businesses drive collaboration" (https://cloud.google.com/blog/products/g-suite/new-enterprise-grade-features-in-googleplus-help-businesses-drive-collaboration), and a mention of G+ in this [G Suite article](https://cloud.google.com/blog/products/g-suite/work-hacks-g-suite-onboard-new-employees-boss), but nothing on the sunset.

I have reached out through multiple channels, including Google's Press contacts, through Googlers I know, and to a list of known Google+ product and project personnel and managers, without any response, or even acknowledgement.

My view on the migration is that if Google have no response within the first month, there's likely to be little if any assistance possible, and if there's none within the first two months of the Sunset announcement, you should plan on NO ASSISTANCE WHATSOEVER. I've been strongly encouraging Google to make their intentions clear even where they are unsure of what they'll be able to provide.

The lack of any substantive comment from Google bodes exceedingly poorly, and I am deeply disappointed. You should be planning to proceed WITH NO FURTHER ASSISTANCE FROM GOOGLE AT THIS POINT. This does not mean that there won't be any assistance, but likelihood is falling, and it's far better to be safe than sorry.

I can think of numerous reasons why Google would be reluctant to comment. I don't believe this excuses their reluctance:

* Google have no final plan: Then tell us that. Collaborating with key communities may help shape priorities.
* Google want to avoid the loud protests/complaints on announcements: First, that's all but inevitable, second, if necessary that can be dealt with.
* Google don't signal decisions in advance: this is a long-standing policy. It has been a prime cause of much trust erosion with the company.
* Google wish to avoid confusion: There is more confusion with a lack of information. Defining parameters of what might or might not be produced helps reduce confusion.

In the absence of volunatary guidance from Google, I'm going to strongly recommend that people start putting requests through legal channels: to your regional and national legislators, to state or regional consumer advocates (generally Attornies General in the US), national regulators (the FTC in the US), California government officials (overseeing Google's HQ), the EU's Commissioner for Competition, etc.




What can you do?

There's a tremendous amount of work and activity. Some of it productive, some not so much. General thoughts:

The Google+ platform itself is resistant to promotion and advocacy. This kept it refreshingly marketing-free for the most part whilst active, but it makes it very difficult to get significant messages out. The G+MM community has grown to over 3,000 members in a month, but little more. How much of the active G+ user base this represents is not known, though there are some signs of larger activity: the 6,000 Pluspora members, "tens of thousands" of new MeWe accounts reported by MeWe, and 30,000 signatures on the Change.org petition to not shut down G+. It's been difficult to try to reach out within G+ itself to affected users. (Given the limited capabilities of Google+ Communities, this may be a blessing in disguise...)

This has been particularly painful for AMAs, where I don't feel we're getting sufficient interest and participation.

Your assistance in spreading the word on the G+MM community and other efforts is needed. Much of this task is simply outreach and awareness. The fact that there is power in numbers also matters: many of us being present and active increase the odds of getting support from Google or third-party sites.

Promoting informational resources is within scope, I am not asking others to promote specific platforms, and in my role as a moderator of this community, I won't be doing that. (Yes, I have my own feelings, and yes, I may recommend against options which strike me as particularly unwise.) Retaining the role of this space as an informative but not strongly-biased information hub is my primary goal.



Current action items

Do recommend this community to your contacts.

Do recommend this community to Communities you belong to or moderate.

Do post your forwarding contacts to your Google+ "About" page, and pin a post to your Google+ Profile.

Do talk with your friends, circles, communities, and other G+ contacts, users, vendors, customers, etc., about their needs, plans, goals, and interests.

Do think through where you want to be by or well before August 2019.

Do make a Google Data Takeout to familiarise yourself with the process. It's not particularly straightforward. Request JSON rather than HTML formats for Google+ items.

Do explore the possible platform spaces and think through what each does and does not satisify for your personal or group needs. Keep in mind that some platforms may offer additional features, others have been resistant to change for years or more.

Do keep posting your experiences, positive and otherwise, with platforms. I and others are learning much from this, and we're compiling this information.

Do set up at least an interim tool for keeping your community, formal or otherwise, intact. A Google Groups, Yahoo Groups, or Mailing List is probably your best bet, as this provides visibility to who is active and is based on durable email addresses. If you stay together, you can regroup elsewhere later. If you don't, it will be far harder to do so. Groups are surprisingly resilient.

Do NOT wait until the last minute.

Our suggested schedule (https://social.antefriguserat.de/index.php/Exodus_Planning_and_Scheduling) is:

Oct 2018 - Dec 2018: Coordination, planning, and exploring alternatives.
Jan 2019 - Apr 2019: Execution.
May 2019 - Jul 2019: Re-establishing community.
Aug 2019 - ∞: Assessment of migration, rebuilding and expanding.

Specifically: For October - November you should consider adding and assessing alternatives, for December eliminating those which clearly don't fit your needs, with a final determination to be made in January-February.


Let's get a move on.

Comments

  1. Maybe using G+ Events for AMAs might help people get reminded of the events, and to get an idea of how many will be attending?

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  2. I see a need for one other "classing" but no time to do the work. End users see the things above as technical, organizational, requires thinking. While I get it I am reminded of the usability end user mantra "Don't Make Me Think". It seems to me the most useful comparative research for the non tech savvy end user is a a sheet that compares user features answering the question: What can I do with it? What can I not do with it? Then lots of screenshots to illustrate.

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  3. Filip H.F. Slagter I have never used or figured out how to use Google Events (which pressages Shelenn's comment). But: Good suggestion.

    The other approach is to issue a canned set of questions. We've had some discussion of this after the Cake AMA.

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  4. Shelenn Ayres That's been a topic of some discussion behind the scenes. Christian Buggedei has an excellent manifesto he's floating around (hey: Christian, lure in Shelenn), and one of its best features is it focuses explicitly on user types and use cases.

    Technology should be though of as a means to and ends, and the ends should define the means.

    So, yeah, I'm going to do my usual thing of exploding the options into some monster complicated thing, but that'll probably get glued back together into a relatively simple 3-4 tier set of functionalities:

    1. Very basic users. Follow / stream / read / reply. Almost always text, possibly voice / images. Single app / tool / website.

    2. Intermediate users. More emphasis on posting, but still basic usage. Possibly multiple services.

    3. Advanced users. Tend to be more task-oriented, often with a specific message, product, or mission to satisfy. Some organisational tools to that end.

    4. Mad scientists / space alien cats. Full control over content, timing, format, structure, endpoints. Here the goal is to provide the glue, baling wire, duck tape, and flux capacitors required to patch together a satisfactory solution. Small fraction of users, but potential to draw in others, especially other high-affinity users.


    At levels 1/2, the goal will be to Absolutely Minimise Required Thinking.

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  5. Good synopsis and valuable information here.

    John Lewis, yourself and the rest of the admin have done an excellent job with this community.

    Shared.

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  6. Edward Morbius Nice start... but that is a dev view not a user view. I agree with the use case scenarios BUT... that is still more academic than the typical end user who only wants to know what they can do with it. Example: oh i love the icons and emojis all my friends are there as long as it's free i don't care if people who run it make money and and and

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  7. Shelenn Ayres OK, I'm stumbling, could you toss out a few more use cases?

    Mind, for the 1/2 tiers, I'd suggest something like:

    Follow your friends, family, and local businesses. Free messaging, pictures, and voice / video. No ads, no creepy tracking.

    (I ... may have to look at how other messaging / social platforms are being pitched / placed. Marketing and advertising are not my thing.)

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  8. Edward Morbius example... usability is really the key plus marketing... one without the other doesn't work. What we need is a market researcher to get those answers... what do users want and how do we help users find a reason to use it

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  9. Shelenn Ayres You make a good point.
    I'm thinking what us members learn through posts/discussion can be shared to others in layman's terms as need be.

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  10. Digging through the above, I find a December 2017 article which says:

    Google+ in Germany: Remains in the niche

    What can we say – how many users Google+ really has remains a mystery. Worldwide activity has declined, and it’s safe to say the same is true for Germany. That said, the service can still be valuable in specific niches like photography enthusiasts.

    https://marketinghelfer.com/social-media-guide-germany/?x

    The text " Google+ really has remains a mystery' links to ... a May 2015 piece:

    https://www.techtimes.com/articles/51205/20150506/many-users-google-really.htm

    Which says:

    Enge's figures come from an analysis of 516,246 randomly selected Google+ profiles. The results more or less tally with stats produced by blogger Edward Morbius in January that suggested only nine percent of Google accounts ever used Google+.


    I really hate being the world's resident expert sometimess....


    marketinghelfer.com - The Ultimate Social Media Guide for the German Market

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  11. Another factor in how to sort out different social nets, has to do with the kind of energy of the community. We all know people are friendlier when we travel, right? Same with startup platform/communities. That excitement of new possibilities sometimes makes up for the difference with established large communities. For example mastodon and diaspora got a jump start from the initial excitement of a new effective platform away from big corporations. Similarly mewe seems excited because of the good public/private balance on a solid technical platform. Friendica and Tumblr and maybe Ello, on the other hand seem more subdued and less dynamic, for lack of the excitement of something with big potential.

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  12. Edward Morbius good data points - but the comparison needs to be simpler and targeted to G+ users... so a start would be to list the features of G+... then compare the features of alternatives to each o the G+ features to form a matrix which can be referenced for use case categorization... this in turn then becomes valuable knowledge to pass one or to market with for those looking to monetize to cover costs even in the federated space.

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  13. Shelenn Ayres Yes and no. If we keep a perspective, social network architecture and standards are rapidly converging to a common layer of the protocol stack, so to speak. So feature comparisons have limited utility since within 3 years all platforms will be fairly similar within the scope of their intended approach. So, yes comparisons should be simpler with user oriented abstractions like you say, and somehow bundle and organize tech features into higher level abstractions and architectural principles.

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  14. Bill Brayman true but federated protocols have evolved within W3C for eight years - it isn't new but there is some convergence as they get better. The exception is that end users need to know what it means to them when choosing between centralized and decentralized (fully federated) services and what privacy protections and user controls are in place. That has to be explained in a simple manner they can understand from a WIIFM perspective.

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  15. About "3-4 tier set of functionalities" this might be interesting indieweb.org - 2017/Nuremberg/onboarding - IndieWeb from the sessions https://indieweb.org/personas - again I would like to invite anybody caring about "an opportunity" to attend https://indieweb.org/Events - many user have summarised what is happening there, e.g. http://derhess.de/2016/11/14/summary-of-the-indie-web-camp-in-berlin-2016/ or https://sebastiangreger.net/2016/09/takeaways-indiewebcamp-brighton-2016/ ff. - come to https://indieweb.org/2019/Vlissingen

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  16. Interesting discussion. I might suggest not to look at the features of g+ but at the ways g+ is used. There are many ways. By popularity, off the top of my head:
    - beauty/photography
    - inspirational quotes/support
    - funny photos, captions, memes
    - interesting articles
    - special interests - collectors, gamers, enthusiasts
    - writings and poetry??
    - well down the list, brands, celebrities, shopping
    - also well down the list, friends, family, colleagues

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  17. Ed S I'm going to kick off a "use cases" post tomorrow.

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  18. Ed S And how could you possibly not include 5€X §ëx šéx?

    (Or other ... similarly themed content.)

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  19. 1/2 There's another thing: onboarding, which relates to discoverability. No matter how good a platform could be when a person reaches a steady state, whether they like it enough to stick around is crucial. The idea that there's nobody there, or nothing interesting to see, is a turn-off.

    Both mastodon and diaspora have a local timeline (I think you can even see it without logging in) which gives some indication of what's going on, and who's there. Follow some popular people and find the people who follow them - this is work - and you might get started. On these platforms there is no 'algorithm' aiming to feed you stuff that's 'good' or stuff you might like, and this is in some ways a feature, but for onboarding it could be a weakness.

    The federated platforms also have the weakness that you have to choose an instance, and you have no idea what that means or how to make a 'good' choice. This is where pluspora has an advantage - it feels like a default instance for people from g+. Whether that works out in when people reach the steady state is another question.

    As my own use of G+ has shrunk down to a couple of dozen Communities, only one of which is viable, and a dozen or so people whose posts cause notifications, I can reach that microcosm of people and we can try to find a common direction to pull in. If 10% of the community can land on one diaspora pod, we already have some ready-made 'friends'. Hey, 1% wouldn't be bad.

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  20. 2/2 (Fair point Edward Morbius, my own sampling of g+ isn't going to be unbiased, so my sense of what's there is going to be inaccurate. There may be a lot of pron... certainly there's a lot of pron in the spam, but I'm not sure I'd want to count that as being what g+ has to offer.)

    Resilience against spammers, trolls, sock puppets, swarms, and the like, is something which I think the likes of mastodon and diaspora may not yet have needed to tackle. Not at scale, anyway. (If your ideological starting point is that anything goes and people should just be nice, it can take time to shift to an actively defensive stance.)

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  21. Edward Morbius I feel that tier 4 with more advanced, user-specific usecases is more something to be solved with custom-made solutions using APIs.

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  22. One thing that's for sure, is that G+ will live to see just one more Spooktober.

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  23. Edward Morbius actually, it looks like Events no longer are accessible to the public. Looks like the direct link is no longer in the sidebar, though https://plus.google.com/events still exists.
    However, trying to create an event gives me the error "We’re making changes to the way that events are created in Google+. For the time being, event creation is limited to a subset of users."

    I wonder if this is still a leftover from http://anewdomain.net/loss-events-new-google-plus-leaves-users-scrambling/

    I should see if I can create an event from the Android app instead.


    (I ran into this while creating a test set of all sorts of posts (limited audience, polls, single image and image albums, links, communities, etc) which I can use for my Takeout data analysis.)
    https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/Zqhl8LjfT7jC3js66IjGVYslm2EcWbBK02xUjIgNRsT1ONJwlEIguGOXJbSUO4YgX9QD0HpQ4ghR01tx_tlklUb4lcthkXZth6Ed=s0

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  24. Edward Morbius actually, it looks like Events no longer are accessible to the public. Looks like the direct link is no longer in the sidebar, though https://plus.google.com/events still exists.
    However, trying to create an event gives me the error "We’re making changes to the way that events are created in Google+. For the time being, event creation is limited to a subset of users."

    I wonder if this is still a leftover from http://anewdomain.net/loss-events-new-google-plus-leaves-users-scrambling/

    I should see if I can create an event from the Android app instead.


    (I ran into this while creating a test set of all sorts of posts (limited audience, polls, single image and image albums, links, communities, etc) which I can use for my Takeout data analysis.)
    https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/siLnAD07MKp7RQtIP-0-IrxkAy-PKkVzeMGxWHihOqKj4lYR-UCs0FYawClZwlQgPLRNb1kgAZoxo3fpA-W6qiF0iqgBSTleTiSD=s0

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  25. Events is still visible in the menu on the Android app, but I also can't create an event there: "Can't create an event at this time."

    Can anyone else confirm that events can no longer be created? Is this a recent thing, or has it been unavailable for a longer time?
    Or is it just me, and have I been banned from creating Events for some reason?

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  26. Filip H.F. Slagter I can confirm this for Desktop use as well. It let's me create an event. After I have maybe spent a day describing it - it just says "Error 500" - beginning to laugh at google. Assumption: Their robots are ill and they never thought of a doctor.

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  27. Shelenn Ayres as far as upcoming event, I'm only able to see an event called
    "Koh Samui Songkran Festival" (https://plus.google.com/events/caoign6mgdccaup0n7ulqlnt79s), and I have no idea why I would be invited to that one, or who invited me.

    (And I'm seeing past events I've actually attended or marked as unable to attend).

    Could you perhaps try to create a test event and see if you can invite me to it? Preferably with all the possible fields filled in and checkmarked, and #TakeoutTest in the description, as I'm hoping to get a Takeout json file for it with all possible options, for the import tools and Takeout data documentation I'm working on.
    plus.google.com - Koh Samui Songkran Festival - Google+

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  28. It's likely whoever created the upcoming event you see has you in a circle because you are following them. You would respond as you did to past events if you choose. After the date passes, even if you don't respond it will become a past event listed.

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  29. Filip H.F. Slagter ...tier 4 with more advanced...

    That's what my 4th tier alludes to. Lego / Meccano set pieces to build what you want/need.

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  30. Filip H.F. Slagter Shelenn Ayres FWIW I see a longish list of events I'd been invited to which I have, and had, nil interest in ever, from people I never knew.

    It was a spam venue.

    At some time I'd adopted the tactic of reporting and blocking any profile sending an invite.

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  31. Edward Morbius could you try if you can still create events, or if you're also not in the 'subset of users'?

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  32. Filip H.F. Slagter I am not. Tried to invite you to one, walked through the whole setup, notice pops up at the end saying 'no', making changes, etc., etc.

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  33. I created a test event and invited just Filip

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  34. Shelenn Ayres thanks, I got it :) Also got it in my takeout archive, so I have a few more data points to add to my structure analysis. :)

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  35. FYI carey g. butler Info on G+ mass migration shutdown.

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