Take your pick based on whatever appealed to you most, I guess. Collection lovers seem mostly drawn to Cake or, for me, ETER9. Community lovers are mostly heading over to MeWe, which made the move easy for them and actively helped them. A lot of fans of the minimalist 'clean, white space' interface of G+ are also headed to MeWe.
Folks what really don't trust Big Social anymore, or just want a nice Life Boat for the former Plussers, seem headed for Pluspora or other Federated/Distributed/Open Source social media.
Seems like the photo hogs are, often grudgingly, going to Instagram. Lots of folks, of course, going back to FB or Twitter. Some folks switching to Blogging.
Some folks who feel social media should 'share the wealth' like Minds.com, and it's also got a somewhat G+-esque interface.
I'm on MeWe and ETER9. But I'm also not that active anywhere right now. RL stuff.
Emlyn O'Regan There probably won't be any consensus. The demise of Google+ is forcing us all to think about why we use Google+, and people's answers vary dramatically. No single product on the web today seems to address the needs associated with all of the reasons people have, so people who are interested in continuing to maintain a social media presence will move to the offering that best suits their personal needs -- which means they will move in different directions. Some people (including me) are using this forced transition to reconsider the role of social media in our lives and leaning towards dramatically reducing our social media presences rather looking for a new platform to continue in the same manner as on Google+.
John Skeats I've been doing both. Ironically, I started back in the Summer by wiping 99+% of my history of Activities on G+ (Posts, +1's, Comments, etc...; even nuked most of my Collections), before anyone knew G+ would be going away. Meanwhile, I 100% scrubbed everything from my Twitter and FB accounts (I almost never fully delete a social account, because I know it can be hard to get that network to then do anything if someone creates an account impersonating you), as well as Instagram, Tumblr, Ello, etc...
For a time, really only my G+ and ETER9 accounts were anything but blank skeletons with a name and nothing else. Now I've got some activity on MeWe, too. But I'll never bring social media back into my life to the level it once was, especially when I worked in marketing.
I still feel like Social Media is to Online-Based/Augmented Sociality what pre-iPod MP3 Players were to Music Players: nowhere near ready for Prime Time, and practically designed to reward the Stupid, Impulsive, Inaccurate, and Horrible.
I agree John Skeats . I think I will use Twitter email, sms and Skype. Openbook is maybe an option in the future, but is it worth investing so much time as I have in G+? Probably not. G+ as it was when Vic Gundotra worked with it was for me the perfect place online.....
Ivar Choi Espedalen Twitter is off my list as a consideration. I can't live with their silly limitation on the length of tweets.
I never viewed email as a social vehicle. It serves a very different purpose in my mind, so I will certainly continue to use it.
I look at SMS and Skype the same way. I'll continue messaging including SMS and RMS via Google's Messages. I have issues with Skype, so I'll probably use Duo and Hangouts/Hangouts Meet instead.
Vic was a mixed blessing for Google+. Many of the greatest enhancements (e.g., Collections) came well after his departure, so I don't believe at he should be given credit for Google+ at its best. At the same time, his relative fanaticism about Google+ quite possibly set the stage for its ultimate downfall. He was behind the drive to force all users of all Google products to have Google+ accounts, and that created terrible animosity towards Google+. I believe that might have been one of the greatest mistakes Google made with respect to Google+. Had Google not tried to force people to use it, there would have been no animosity, so more people would probably have eventually tried Google+ -- and then stayed when they discovered what a great platform it was.
Emlyn O'Regan Collections is a fantastic tool for sharing public posts because it allows people to select the topics people who share on very varied topics rather than having to choose between having to see many posts they aren't interested in in order to see the posts they want to see by a person and passing on what they want to see to avoid seeing posts they don't want to see. For my money, something equivalent to Collections is a prerequisite for any potential successor to Google+.
John Skeats If I had to pick the two foundational mistakes of Google+, it would be this:
1) Branding Confusion - Google+ being both a network and "Google Upgraded" was too confusing. People have been so much more willing to accept a Brand Generic Unified Google Account than they ever were a Google+ Account, it would make you wonder why Google unifying their accounts ever seemed a huge deal to begin with except that the Brand Unification was confusing. Sadly, the best comparison I can think of is New Coke.
2) Acting From Fear Instead of Opportunity - Apparently, Vic was quite the bug in Page's ear telling him they were going to have done to them by FB what they'd done to so many other web companies, i.e. become completely disrupted and supplanted. Even if his concern had been fully justified (it was partly justified), it never works well when a company builds products out of Fear of Disruption, rather than a genuine appreciation that, "Hey, we have missed this opportunity so far, but let's think about how we can do something new." Internally they called it something like Project Emerald Sea, but in the end we got a Facebook-Twitter-Skype hybrid on launch day, without even a Whiz Bang Mobile App at a time when such a thing could seriously have challenged Facebook (and is one reason Instagram succeeded... a true Mobile Optimized Design). As it turned out, the fear wasn't even more than partially justified, as not only has FB's core business never fully dovetailed with Google's (i.e. you can't replace all the benefits of Google Search Targeting with FB Social Targeting or vice versa, each has their strength, though anyone honest would concede Google retains an advantage for anything where 'Moment of Purchasing Intent' needs to be targeted) in order to utterly disrupt it, and also at all steps in trying to become More Than Just A Social Network Facebook has failed utterly and miserably. Google has a talent, albeit not a spotless record, of adding competent new product types to their lineup; FB has a history of crap like FB eMail.
Consensus on destinations is likely to emerge within your social circle or Communities. G+MM itself is a facilitator for decisionmaking, not a decisionmaking body itself.
That means you need to be talking with your Geeps and finding out what their plans are.
Given the rapidly closing sunset period, I'm strongly recommending email-based platforms as an interim strategy. They're all-but-universal, resilient, vendor independent, and give you direct control over your contacts information.
Other than that, presently active, viable, and sufficient platforms should be your primary choice. Identify what your must-haves are, and what your showstoppers are. You'll likely find yourself with a small set of remaining options. None of which are going to be ideal.
I plan on writing more on this, discussion here may guide that.
1 Awareness 2 Leaving home 3 Deciding where to go 4 A temporary or permanent home? 5 What to take, and how? 6 Keeping Informed and Connected 7 Re-establishing community
The G+ community I set up was all about being a source of info and discussion about a particular category of tech products. Basically a support type of community. And my own overall use of G+ is joining and staying current on communities that offer similar type of information.
I'm not a social media person. Hate FaceBook, LinkedIn, and so on.
IMHO, the biggest draw of G+ was how easy it was to set up a community for a special interest. No programming or code needed. No tech savvy needed.
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Emlyn I am mostly on Pluspora.
ReplyDeleteConsensus. Boy, wouldn't that be nice?
ReplyDeleteTake your pick based on whatever appealed to you most, I guess. Collection lovers seem mostly drawn to Cake or, for me, ETER9. Community lovers are mostly heading over to MeWe, which made the move easy for them and actively helped them. A lot of fans of the minimalist 'clean, white space' interface of G+ are also headed to MeWe.
Folks what really don't trust Big Social anymore, or just want a nice Life Boat for the former Plussers, seem headed for Pluspora or other Federated/Distributed/Open Source social media.
Seems like the photo hogs are, often grudgingly, going to Instagram. Lots of folks, of course, going back to FB or Twitter. Some folks switching to Blogging.
Some folks who feel social media should 'share the wealth' like Minds.com, and it's also got a somewhat G+-esque interface.
I'm on MeWe and ETER9. But I'm also not that active anywhere right now. RL stuff.
Search G+ for #signalflare and you'll be able to see where quite a few will be going.
ReplyDeleteSource - plus.google.com - Make yourself easy to find Build a YASN-Roll. A list of links to your profil...
Emlyn O'Regan There probably won't be any consensus. The demise of Google+ is forcing us all to think about why we use Google+, and people's answers vary dramatically. No single product on the web today seems to address the needs associated with all of the reasons people have, so people who are interested in continuing to maintain a social media presence will move to the offering that best suits their personal needs -- which means they will move in different directions. Some people (including me) are using this forced transition to reconsider the role of social media in our lives and leaning towards dramatically reducing our social media presences rather looking for a new platform to continue in the same manner as on Google+.
ReplyDeleteJohn Skeats I've been doing both. Ironically, I started back in the Summer by wiping 99+% of my history of Activities on G+ (Posts, +1's, Comments, etc...; even nuked most of my Collections), before anyone knew G+ would be going away. Meanwhile, I 100% scrubbed everything from my Twitter and FB accounts (I almost never fully delete a social account, because I know it can be hard to get that network to then do anything if someone creates an account impersonating you), as well as Instagram, Tumblr, Ello, etc...
ReplyDeleteFor a time, really only my G+ and ETER9 accounts were anything but blank skeletons with a name and nothing else. Now I've got some activity on MeWe, too. But I'll never bring social media back into my life to the level it once was, especially when I worked in marketing.
I still feel like Social Media is to Online-Based/Augmented Sociality what pre-iPod MP3 Players were to Music Players: nowhere near ready for Prime Time, and practically designed to reward the Stupid, Impulsive, Inaccurate, and Horrible.
I agree John Skeats . I think I will use Twitter email, sms and Skype.
ReplyDeleteOpenbook is maybe an option in the future, but is it worth investing so much time as I have in G+? Probably not. G+ as it was when Vic Gundotra worked with it was for me the perfect place online.....
I'm a public post person, collections less important. I guess I should check out MeWe
ReplyDeleteIvar Choi Espedalen Twitter is off my list as a consideration. I can't live with their silly limitation on the length of tweets.
ReplyDeleteI never viewed email as a social vehicle. It serves a very different purpose in my mind, so I will certainly continue to use it.
I look at SMS and Skype the same way. I'll continue messaging including SMS and RMS via Google's Messages. I have issues with Skype, so I'll probably use Duo and Hangouts/Hangouts Meet instead.
Vic was a mixed blessing for Google+. Many of the greatest enhancements (e.g., Collections) came well after his departure, so I don't believe at he should be given credit for Google+ at its best. At the same time, his relative fanaticism about Google+ quite possibly set the stage for its ultimate downfall. He was behind the drive to force all users of all Google products to have Google+ accounts, and that created terrible animosity towards Google+. I believe that might have been one of the greatest mistakes Google made with respect to Google+. Had Google not tried to force people to use it, there would have been no animosity, so more people would probably have eventually tried Google+ -- and then stayed when they discovered what a great platform it was.
Emlyn O'Regan Collections is a fantastic tool for sharing public posts because it allows people to select the topics people who share on very varied topics rather than having to choose between having to see many posts they aren't interested in in order to see the posts they want to see by a person and passing on what they want to see to avoid seeing posts they don't want to see. For my money, something equivalent to Collections is a prerequisite for any potential successor to Google+.
ReplyDeleteJohn Skeats I can understand your point of view of course. 😀
ReplyDeleteJohn Skeats If I had to pick the two foundational mistakes of Google+, it would be this:
ReplyDelete1) Branding Confusion - Google+ being both a network and "Google Upgraded" was too confusing. People have been so much more willing to accept a Brand Generic Unified Google Account than they ever were a Google+ Account, it would make you wonder why Google unifying their accounts ever seemed a huge deal to begin with except that the Brand Unification was confusing. Sadly, the best comparison I can think of is New Coke.
2) Acting From Fear Instead of Opportunity - Apparently, Vic was quite the bug in Page's ear telling him they were going to have done to them by FB what they'd done to so many other web companies, i.e. become completely disrupted and supplanted. Even if his concern had been fully justified (it was partly justified), it never works well when a company builds products out of Fear of Disruption, rather than a genuine appreciation that, "Hey, we have missed this opportunity so far, but let's think about how we can do something new." Internally they called it something like Project Emerald Sea, but in the end we got a Facebook-Twitter-Skype hybrid on launch day, without even a Whiz Bang Mobile App at a time when such a thing could seriously have challenged Facebook (and is one reason Instagram succeeded... a true Mobile Optimized Design). As it turned out, the fear wasn't even more than partially justified, as not only has FB's core business never fully dovetailed with Google's (i.e. you can't replace all the benefits of Google Search Targeting with FB Social Targeting or vice versa, each has their strength, though anyone honest would concede Google retains an advantage for anything where 'Moment of Purchasing Intent' needs to be targeted) in order to utterly disrupt it, and also at all steps in trying to become More Than Just A Social Network Facebook has failed utterly and miserably. Google has a talent, albeit not a spotless record, of adding competent new product types to their lineup; FB has a history of crap like FB eMail.
Schiwi M wins the prize here.
ReplyDeleteConsensus on destinations is likely to emerge within your social circle or Communities. G+MM itself is a facilitator for decisionmaking, not a decisionmaking body itself.
That means you need to be talking with your Geeps and finding out what their plans are.
Given the rapidly closing sunset period, I'm strongly recommending email-based platforms as an interim strategy. They're all-but-universal, resilient, vendor independent, and give you direct control over your contacts information.
Other than that, presently active, viable, and sufficient platforms should be your primary choice. Identify what your must-haves are, and what your showstoppers are. You'll likely find yourself with a small set of remaining options. None of which are going to be ideal.
I plan on writing more on this, discussion here may guide that.
Here's my earlier planning guide:
ReplyDeletehttps://social.antefriguserat.de/index.php/How_to_plan_an_exodus
It holds up pretty well, with considerations:
1 Awareness
2 Leaving home
3 Deciding where to go
4 A temporary or permanent home?
5 What to take, and how?
6 Keeping Informed and Connected
7 Re-establishing community
social.antefriguserat.de - How to plan an exodus - PlexodusWiki
The pub sounds like a great idea at the moment!
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ReplyDeleteThe G+ community I set up was all about being a source of info and discussion about a particular category of tech products. Basically a support type of community. And my own overall use of G+ is joining and staying current on communities that offer similar type of information.
ReplyDeleteI'm not a social media person. Hate FaceBook, LinkedIn, and so on.
IMHO, the biggest draw of G+ was how easy it was to set up a community for a special interest. No programming or code needed. No tech savvy needed.
I'm getting more comfortable with Reddit, FWIW.