Wow things just got real
Where are you going to park your content?
I have to say that Blogger is looking pretty good.
https://too-clever-by-half.blogspot.com/2018/11/blogger-versus-wordpress-compare.html
It's free, it's got great uptime, it's got new themes and features.
AND, it's not on the brink of a forking epic identity crisis: https://deliciousbrains.com/wordpress-gutenberg/
And check this out, it's one of the new Blogger themes. Doesn't it look a little like a Google+ collection?
http://tastytreats-blog.blogspot.com/
Where are you going to park your content?
I have to say that Blogger is looking pretty good.
https://too-clever-by-half.blogspot.com/2018/11/blogger-versus-wordpress-compare.html
It's free, it's got great uptime, it's got new themes and features.
AND, it's not on the brink of a forking epic identity crisis: https://deliciousbrains.com/wordpress-gutenberg/
And check this out, it's one of the new Blogger themes. Doesn't it look a little like a Google+ collection?
http://tastytreats-blog.blogspot.com/
I've tried WP - its terrible when its free and I can only have a free so Blogger is the best. If Google don't decide to "sunset" it of course.
ReplyDeleteI have blogs on both.
ReplyDeleteBut blogger is freakin' google.
ReplyDeleteI've used wordpress since about 2006. This gutenberg thing is stupid and there's a billion plugins that already disable it before it's even been shipped.
Also, Blogger provides free SSL.
ReplyDeleteKerem Go Google is rather terrifying about how it treats its products and services (and users). But they have been investing in Blogger lately, with new features and themes. Usually a good sign.
ReplyDeleteCindy Brown Well you should probably stick with what works for you.
ReplyDeletePS I run a WP site and am not happy about Gutenberg. It's not going to end well.
Adam Auster No it is not.
ReplyDeleteAnd in fairness, comparing blogger and wordpress COM is actually a pretty reasonable comparison; I wouldn't personally use either since I use the host it myself option but that wasn't actually part of the article, so my comments should mostly be read as grumpiness :)
Wonder how long before there will be a major fork of WP for a gutenberg free version.
I think they are both pretty shitty compared to content writing sites like HubPages.
ReplyDeleteOne thing that surprises me, though I'm testing out different plugins at the moment, is that there isn't yet something that prettifies a given url... you know, excerpts it, finds a thumbnail, makes it look nice without forcing you do do all the heavy lifting. Medium does it. G+ does it. Be nice to see it more places.
ReplyDeleteCindy Brown i gotta be honest that when G+ shuts down, I am not going to switch my search engine to Bing in protest. Indeed, I am starting to worry about which OS I can realistically transition my mother to when Windows 12 is introduced as subscription only.
ReplyDeleteAdam Auster People thought that Google integrating G+ into lots of services and giving us things like Collections was good too, and look where that got us.
ReplyDeleteCindy Brown dev.to - ClassicPress - a Wordpress fork without Gutenberg
ReplyDeleteI'm still salty that they took away the ability to write g+ posts from other Google product sites.
ReplyDeleteI've just found a positive (in an otherwise unimpressive layout) , with Pluspora: You can post entire Flickr albums with a nice and easy click-through interface. I'm wondering if anything "out there" would be able to display existing G+ "collections", which display so well now, intact? Or, might G+ collections stay live as a parting gesture from our friend, Google?
ReplyDeleteMichael Fenichel I was wondering exactly the same thing!
ReplyDeleteIf not, what happens to the collections I've shared on my blog?
Michael Fenichel I am just curious. Why would anyone want to save anything from social networking? These aren't things of value. They are transient. Nobody looks at them once they've been published.
ReplyDeleteTessa Schlesinger Wow. I'm not even thinking in terms of "social networking", but in terms of a "gallery" in the public domain - and findable - for years.
ReplyDeleteI truly can't imagine any gallery, book publisher, library or museum thinking like "nobody looks at them once they've been published". Just can't. Well, cheers!
Tessa Schlesinger Social networking creates memories - for some, they are memories. Do you discard the thoughts you think and remember so easily?
ReplyDeleteGreg S Yes. I'm not important. Nothing I say and do is important. I don't really put any value on my memories. I ascertain value to what needs to be done in the world to fix it up for all people and species.
ReplyDeleteGreg S But thanks for explaining. You see, to me, and I may be wrong, it's just ego that makes one think it's important or of value.
ReplyDeleteTessa Schlesinger That's sad. Everyone can be important that way. You should think better of what you do and create - who knows how much positivity you may have brought into or triggered in the world, just by doing, saying, or being you?
ReplyDeleteCheckout micro.blog and encourage folks to get back on to the web, There was value in social media. it did bring publishing to the masses.
ReplyDeleteHaving a blog or website takes work. it reflects privilege. Literacy always has. technology does not change that.
As educators, we took the wrong lesson from Web 2.0. It wasn't, "Ohh wow now nobody needs to know HTML!" It should have been, "Oh shit...now everyone needs to know HTML"
We are paying for this ignorance. We need to do what teachers have always done since time eternal. Help to build our communities.
The web is no different. Don't play one platform to rule them all. That got us in this mess.
Fight for open standards and protocols. Encourage the Commons, most importantly just be able to answer the question, "My url is"
You can never build a village when somebody else owns all the land.
Greg S I've got too much life experience to believe that. I grew up in a very well-known family. My family were in the newspapers every day for one thing or another. When they died, they were forgotten. My late father's contributions were quite meaningful. Forty years on, nobody remembers him.
ReplyDeleteSeriously, no matter what path you choose is you stop by chat.indieweb.org - #indieweb 2018-12-11 any of us will help you get up and online anytime.
ReplyDeletePersonally I recommend Reclaim Hosting. It's $30 a year with a Domain and you get unlimited toys (up to two gigs)
If you want turnkey everything just works blogging and community try micro.blog ($5 a month blogging/$10 with podcasting)
I am leaving WordPress as well. I am going with a few static HTML pages (feel free to remix) https://jgmac1106homepage.glitch.me/ and a Known blog....Known rocks...https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com
Greg S All that integration was an interesting idea. Even the failure has been interesting. I have no regrets for trying it out.
ReplyDeleteTessa Schlesinger I frequently search for and look at posts from years ago. Of course, most of the reason I follow people is for well-written essays, which are timeless.
ReplyDeleteTessa Schlesinger ... That you know of. But hey, if you want to be negative about yourself, that's a decision you have to take, I suppose. But there are other ways to be.
ReplyDeleteBrian Holt Hawthorne And that is true. My late father's book "Memoirs of a Jewish Journalist in Nazi Germany' still has readers. And I know that my articles are read about 300,000 times every month. But that is different to social networking. I also still get a fair amount of thank you's from people who found my articles helpful.
ReplyDeleteI have both. I've been with blogger since 2007 and WP since 2014. Blogger has some decent layouts and facilitates AdSence usage. WP has a steep learning curve unless you're well versed in HTML which is great if you are, it's a hassle for people who aren't.
ReplyDeleteI get very anemic interaction at WP. I suppose that would be on me because I haven't purchased my own domain yet. Blogger, on the other hand, I find has a wider reach without purchasing my domain. My stats tell me that I have an almost constant stream of readers from around the world, which pleases me. Of course, the majority of my readers are located in Russia, and I'm not sure how to take that.
I don't know. There are benefits and drawbacks to both.
Tony Payson I also have both. And I agree. I think both are pretty good, actually, just not perfect. But what is?
ReplyDeleteAdam Auster One big question is what happens to the plugin base. I mean initially most of them will probably work on both but later down the line?
ReplyDeleteCindy Brown WP Plug-ins and a million other things. At first it will be, Well, you don't have to use Gutenberg, and that will be true.
ReplyDeleteBut eventually things will start breaking a lot of us will be stuck between rock & hard place.
G+ is quite deeply entangled into Blogger.com They're going to have their work cut out disentangling it in 5 months. Or is it 90 days.
ReplyDeleteI picture a small corner of the googleplex at the end of a corridor with a team of programmers who find themselves doing the make work to cut G+ out of everything else. And they're not entirely happy with finding themselves there.
Partial list of #Blogger entanglements: G+ profiles and comments for those who adopted them, G+ post integration, G+ badges...am I missing anything, Julian Bond?
ReplyDeleteA fine mess all right!
Adam Auster
ReplyDeleteBlogger is Beautiful - (don't know about wp)
The problem with Blogger blogspot is with http/https (mixed content errors), non-tech users unable to copeup - (p.s: that too when editing posts with images)
Very very much requested a simple/easy solution, Please
Regards
Greg Mcverry I used to know HTML in the 90s, and I had my own website. Through disuse I forgot. I have tried many times to relearn it, but I find lecturers make something easy difficult and they make it expensive. I find that people who teach on the web use jargon in such a way as to make it impossible to know what they are saying - unless you already know it. That is why so few know HTML.
ReplyDeleteThe one thing I really hated about Google Plus is that they indexed posts on the web. That meant that anything I posted for my followers was now seen on the web by anyone who googled me. I hated that. I am truly grateful that is all going to be wiped out. I guess I never saw G+ as anything other than a way of connecting with friends.
ReplyDeleteIn the beginning, I used to block 8000 or 9000 people at a time because people kept adding me. It took me about four years to realize people actually wanted this.
I am not American, and while I had been in America for about 7 years at the time, the idea that people wanted fame, attention, etc, was completely foreign to me.
Even as a writer published since about 1963, it never occurred to me to care whether I was read or not. I simply wrote to inform, win, or get paid.
Someone who blocks people for following her has absolutely and totally missed the point of the site so completely that it’s not really worth listening to their opinions. And it’s got absolutely nothing to do with “fame”.
ReplyDeleteAdam Auster That's about the sum of it. I went back and looked at my test blogger.com account and turned on everything G+ that I could. Mainly as a canary so I should see if and when things change. And discovered I created that blog in 2001, a couple of years before Google acquired it! Curiously, test posts from that time are still in the stream although you can't display individual posts. I seem to have been experimenting back then with auto-posting using the blogger API from some home built RSS feed reader software. Doesn't time fly.
ReplyDeleteTessa Schlesinger come hang with me for an hour at a virtual Homebrew Website Club... Been taking folks from zero to web hero for a decade...
ReplyDeleteNo technical jargon... Just remixing yourself online.
Serious about offer for anyone. We will get you online.
Julian Bond if you do go back to Blogger (if you trust Google not to burn you again) add webmentions with Bridgy. https://brid.gy
ReplyDeleteGreg Mcverry Will do, later today. Am out and about. :)
ReplyDeleteUsed both, no strong opinions either way. My main sites are on WP.
ReplyDeleteUpdated one of my WP blogs to 5.0 a couple days ago and broke it. Can't access it at all. Seems to be looking for something from a plugin.
So now I get to go into cpanel, download the database, reinstall, etc.
Greg Mee Enjoy the Yak Shaving! Once upon a time you might have had to re-compile php from scratch and update MySQL as well.
ReplyDeleteJulian Bond Nope, never.
ReplyDeleteJulian Bond 2001! Wow, I'd like to shake your hand. Before my time.
ReplyDeleteYes, the early versions of Blogger did not allow for individual post pages.
Apparently I had a short-lived blog on blogger in 2010, when Buzz was a new thing.
ReplyDeleteDoes anyone have experience regarding which gets better traffic, blogger or WP?
ReplyDeleteBrad Borland I expect that's entirely due to your own efforts with content, promotion, etc. Pick the one that works for you and run with it.
ReplyDeleteGreg Mee I was just wondering if one was primed for better SEO - blogger being a Google product and all.
ReplyDeleteBrad Borland No, Greg Mee has the goods on this. So, pick the pltform that makes you the most creative!
ReplyDeleteGreg Mcverry I just took a look at that. https://indieweb.org/Homebrew_Website_Club. It just makes me despair.
ReplyDeleteI have very definite learning modalities, and that is not the way I learn. I learn with clear visual information that is well illustrated. I do not learn in an auditory fashion. I do not process auditory information well.
That said, some auditory information is necessary simply because most people don't know how to write well.
I have gone through so many fucking manuals and I want to scream.
Once, in a three week course in London, I learnt HTML, CSS, photoshop, flash, dreamweaver sufficiently well in order to get City and Guild qualifications in three of our different things (web design).
We had a kick-ass teacher who knew how to break these things down so that an idiot could understand them.
Most people (and I went to plenty of Continuing Ed classes inSan Diego) fucking focus on 20 things at once, tell you how electricity works instead of how to switch the light on. Eventually one doesn't know whatis important and what is not.
I did buy an HTML books written by 17 year olds for 14 year olds. Best code book I have ever seen. Problem? It's not visual with videos so that I can see how it works. I am very visual.
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