No. I have read reports of Google banning posts on Google Help that introduced the "Google+ Mass Migration" community; such reports convinced me to ignore Google and to conclude that there was no way to convince Google+ to halt the Google+ shutdown.
Given that they’ve ignored every complaint since G+ inception, there’s little reason to believe they’d start listening now that they’ve made up their mind that G+ is a dead-end.
Dran Fren I'd recommend (personally, not as mod), registering your concerns with your local government consumer advocate, legislator(s), and regulators.
In the U.S., that's typically the state attorney general's office (consumer affairs / consumer complaints), and state and national lawmakers. The EU has specific offices for monopoly and consumer rights. The US also has the FTC.
Dran Fren Good question. I suspect 100k users pushes the limits of actual active userbase worldwide (within a factor of 2-4). That'd be unlikely.
But the precedent and issues of a major ongoing business concern shutting down services as Google has G+ in this case is problematic. It's not as if Google itself is shuttering.
(There've been worse shutdowns. MySpace was ultimately killed without notice.)
wara zashi Right, that's part of my calculation. The 35k sigs there are among the largest recent evidenced interest in G+.
There are 10k members of Pluspora, the 4,127 members of this community, and largely tens to hundreds of members of various off-Google+ groups (including #PlexodusReddit). We're probably looking at somewhere between 20 and 50k, generally.
That also jibes with Stone Temple Consulting's estimates (based on my methodology) of highly active monthly-posting users:
I noted in every opportunity (including a Facebook ad for the pro version) my dissatisfaction and problem with it including my trust for anything Google falling to almost nothing. Not that it would change anything, but I figured they ought to know, they asked after all.
blanche nonken I still find the irony of Vic Gundotra's emphasis on the trust bestowed on Google by its users in his original G+ announcement, and the present situation, deep and rich.
Edward Morbius And this is where it feels like a slap in the face. None of the others sought trust, they simply were selling a product (whether by exchange of cash or data.) The people who were "in charge" - not the developers or those who maintained the service - took our trust, and dumped us. This atop all the other things that my gut has been niggling at me about, this is where Trust Comes To Die.
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No. I have read reports of Google banning posts on Google Help that introduced the "Google+ Mass Migration" community; such reports convinced me to ignore Google and to conclude that there was no way to convince Google+ to halt the Google+ shutdown.
ReplyDeleteGiven that they’ve ignored every complaint since G+ inception, there’s little reason to believe they’d start listening now that they’ve made up their mind that G+ is a dead-end.
ReplyDeleteDran Fren I'd recommend (personally, not as mod), registering your concerns with your local government consumer advocate, legislator(s), and regulators.
ReplyDeleteIn the U.S., that's typically the state attorney general's office (consumer affairs / consumer complaints), and state and national lawmakers. The EU has specific offices for monopoly and consumer rights. The US also has the FTC.
Edward Morbius what do you think would be a critical mass of users for Google to react? My (off-hand) guess is 100K users.
ReplyDeleteDran Fren Good question. I suspect 100k users pushes the limits of actual active userbase worldwide (within a factor of 2-4). That'd be unlikely.
ReplyDeleteBut the precedent and issues of a major ongoing business concern shutting down services as Google has G+ in this case is problematic. It's not as if Google itself is shuttering.
(There've been worse shutdowns. MySpace was ultimately killed without notice.)
Well, you have about 35K on this petition, so not quite there yet.
ReplyDeletechange.org - Sign the Petition
wara zashi Right, that's part of my calculation. The 35k sigs there are among the largest recent evidenced interest in G+.
ReplyDeleteThere are 10k members of Pluspora, the 4,127 members of this community, and largely tens to hundreds of members of various off-Google+ groups (including #PlexodusReddit). We're probably looking at somewhere between 20 and 50k, generally.
That also jibes with Stone Temple Consulting's estimates (based on my methodology) of highly active monthly-posting users:
https://www.stonetemple.com/real-numbers-for-the-activity-on-google-plus/
I noted in every opportunity (including a Facebook ad for the pro version) my dissatisfaction and problem with it including my trust for anything Google falling to almost nothing. Not that it would change anything, but I figured they ought to know, they asked after all.
ReplyDeleteblanche nonken I still find the irony of Vic Gundotra's emphasis on the trust bestowed on Google by its users in his original G+ announcement, and the present situation, deep and rich.
ReplyDeleteEdward Morbius And this is where it feels like a slap in the face. None of the others sought trust, they simply were selling a product (whether by exchange of cash or data.) The people who were "in charge" - not the developers or those who maintained the service - took our trust, and dumped us. This atop all the other things that my gut has been niggling at me about, this is where Trust Comes To Die.
ReplyDeleteblanche nonken Imma steal that as a blog title.
ReplyDeleteI did. They didn't announce to Big5 character users until today, so I wrote to them.
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