What kind of different place G+ would have been if this guy was in charge of its development. He didn't like G+ but he handled it professionally and did his job passionately.
Alan David and perhaps its a general policy. Many corporations act with no conscience or humanity. Nestlé is an example. They are powerful lobbyists for their own interests which usurp the interests and wel being of the people. Big Pharma, Monsanto, etc. And perhaps they have to be like that - looking after their own interests, but we need to be aware and not expect them to be kind, caring and reliable.
Why in the world people think a series of very short tweets is a good way to disseminate a long and complex tale is quite beyond me. Also, he seems to have a very black and white view of things : everyone is either a hero or a villain with not much in between.
That doesn't mean he's wrong, but I'm not inclined to take it at face value either.
Edward Morbius the “here’s this month’s redesign, get used to it” attitude already spoke volumes. Point-blank ignoring our feedback, removing functionality, ignoring the reporting function, ignoring the spam reports in particular, ignoring spam altogether, dumbing down the platform, doubling down on stupid design choices … we could all go on and on, but at the bottom of the abyss, the monster staring back, isn’t you, it’s Google not giving a shit about people.
Jose Pina Coelho My main hesitation to embrace this article is that it is so close to what my preexisting perception of the situation was. Almost written-to-order.
I'm inclined to believe it, but despite my affinity for what it says, am reserving judgement on the basis I'm biased toward it.
You know, not to defend google but there is also the real possibility this guy is just an ass?
Going around saying more or less "happy it failed, I didn't want to work on it to begin with, they never used my work and basically they sacked me" is the first hint.
Piero FilippIN never heard of this guy before, nor anything about Vic’s behavior/management style.
I think we’re mostly going by what we’ve seen at the delivery side of the G+ pipeline: deafness, lack of direction, failure to leverage the rest of google (like AI against spam).
About AI against spam - not sure how Gmail spam filter works (but it works).
I think SEX SEX SEX has to get some blame - Google was keeping g+ alive while it was not costing a fortune to maintain - but start adding a staff bill for moderation, spam control and vulnerabilities fixing and all of a sudden you realise why they are getting rid of it.
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Interesting story there!
ReplyDeleteWhat kind of different place G+ would have been if this guy was in charge of its development. He didn't like G+ but he handled it professionally and did his job passionately.
ReplyDeleteCorporations want psychopaths, not people with moral scruples and a social conscience.
ReplyDeletethats an awfully general statement
ReplyDeleteAlan David and perhaps its a general policy. Many corporations act with no conscience or humanity. Nestlé is an example. They are powerful lobbyists for their own interests which usurp the interests and wel being of the people. Big Pharma, Monsanto, etc. And perhaps they have to be like that - looking after their own interests, but we need to be aware and not expect them to be kind, caring and reliable.
ReplyDeleteSurprise! You were hired for backfill while our more valuable employees are moved into positions on the projects we really value.
ReplyDeleteNot especially relevant to the exodus, though an interesting look back.
ReplyDeleteAlso beware accounts from disgruntled former employees.
That said: Google+ doesn't seem to have been well-conceived, received, managed, or executed within Google. Though that's hardly news.
Yeah, these kinds of things are usually half disclosure, half self-brand-management.
ReplyDeleteHis asides are pretty good. I am not sure if that is a diagnostic, or what it would indicate.
Why in the world people think a series of very short tweets is a good way to disseminate a long and complex tale is quite beyond me. Also, he seems to have a very black and white view of things : everyone is either a hero or a villain with not much in between.
ReplyDeleteThat doesn't mean he's wrong, but I'm not inclined to take it at face value either.
Rhys Taylor you can read this here in a more readable form:
ReplyDeletehttps://threader.app/thread/1049523067506966529
Edward Morbius the “here’s this month’s redesign, get used to it” attitude already spoke volumes.
ReplyDeletePoint-blank ignoring our feedback, removing functionality, ignoring the reporting function, ignoring the spam reports in particular, ignoring spam altogether, dumbing down the platform, doubling down on stupid design choices … we could all go on and on, but at the bottom of the abyss, the monster staring back, isn’t you, it’s Google not giving a shit about people.
Dima Pasechnik Yes, I did. What I don't understand is why anyone would use twitter for long messages at all. That's what blogs are for.
ReplyDeleteJose Pina Coelho My main hesitation to embrace this article is that it is so close to what my preexisting perception of the situation was. Almost written-to-order.
ReplyDeleteI'm inclined to believe it, but despite my affinity for what it says, am reserving judgement on the basis I'm biased toward it.
(I try to be highly bias-aware.)
Edward Morbius Groucho Marx would approve that position. ;-)
ReplyDeleteYou know, not to defend google but there is also the real possibility this guy is just an ass?
ReplyDeleteGoing around saying more or less "happy it failed, I didn't want to work on it to begin with, they never used my work and basically they sacked me" is the first hint.
Piero FilippIN never heard of this guy before, nor anything about Vic’s behavior/management style.
ReplyDeleteI think we’re mostly going by what we’ve seen at the delivery side of the G+ pipeline: deafness, lack of direction, failure to leverage the rest of google (like AI against spam).
Jose Pina Coelho I am sure it's all because they didn't use this guy's icons?
ReplyDeleteG+ has been a disaster, someone has panicked and tried to push it too hard - but please consider the possibility this guy is telling porkies.
About AI against spam - not sure how Gmail spam filter works (but it works).
ReplyDeleteI think SEX SEX SEX has to get some blame - Google was keeping g+ alive while it was not costing a fortune to maintain - but start adding a staff bill for moderation, spam control and vulnerabilities fixing and all of a sudden you realise why they are getting rid of it.
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ReplyDeleteThis thread is not directly helping the migration process and while it's interesting, you should probably back link it to your own stream and freeze comment here.
This is not a reflection of your post, but an attempt to focus the community to a single task. This is your only warning.