In my case, the bulk of my actually active followers went to a diaspora pod (pluspora.com). Only a few hundred out of thousands, but the level of engagement is about the same.
The reason there's no automated way to transfer contacts is because Google+ is a closed system. Back in the day, before G+ even existed, there were attempts to make integrated social media clients that interoperated between Twitter and Facebook etc. But then, Twitter and Facebook decided to ban any such usage. This is what led to the "Federation" of open source alternatives such as diaspora, Mastodon, etc to form their own social media ecosystem entirely separate from the closed system big boys.
I mean, they wanted to give you the interoperability you're hoping for. But the closed garden social media services actively did everything they could to prevent it. Google is no exception in this regard.
If you want to never have to go through this again, I'd suggest looking at the various Federation/Fediverse options - they offer the ability to migrate from pod to pod if you want, and you can even switch from one service to another and still keep your same followees (you'll need to get your followers to switch the address they're pointed to, but they won't need to change services at least).
The biggest ones in terms of user base are diaspora and Mastodon. They're the ones which offer the least smooth ability to migrate from one pod to another, though, and currently they don't directly Federate with each other.
Friendica federates with all of the Federation/Fediverse, and it offers the ability to smoothly migrate from one pod to another via an export/import process.
Hubzilla also federates with all of the Federation/Fediverse, but it's a younger project that's a bit rougher around the edges. It offers the unique ability to have live "clones" across pods so you don't even have to do an export/import process to migrate. In fact, the "clones" automatically kick in as necessary if one pod goes down or gets disconnected from the internet. If you're comfortable with installing the server software, you can even spin up your own personal Hubzilla pod just for yourself so you can have a local "clone". That way, you'll always have a local copy of all your stuff. You could even use it to post/comment/like/etc when your Internet connection goes down. After the internet is connected again, all of your updates will get whooshed out to your other clones (and the federated services of your followers/followees).
If you, like me, don't ever want to go through the prospect of having to export all your posts/Collections/Communities/etc and then ... ehh... doing something with it... well, I'd suggest taking a serious look at Hubzilla's capabilities.
Reference: The History of Hubzilla:
http://www.talkplus.org/blog/2016/the-history-of-hubzilla/
http://www.talkplus.org/blog/2016/the-history-of-hubzilla/
The reason there's no automated way to transfer contacts is because Google+ is a closed system. Back in the day, before G+ even existed, there were attempts to make integrated social media clients that interoperated between Twitter and Facebook etc. But then, Twitter and Facebook decided to ban any such usage. This is what led to the "Federation" of open source alternatives such as diaspora, Mastodon, etc to form their own social media ecosystem entirely separate from the closed system big boys.
I mean, they wanted to give you the interoperability you're hoping for. But the closed garden social media services actively did everything they could to prevent it. Google is no exception in this regard.
If you want to never have to go through this again, I'd suggest looking at the various Federation/Fediverse options - they offer the ability to migrate from pod to pod if you want, and you can even switch from one service to another and still keep your same followees (you'll need to get your followers to switch the address they're pointed to, but they won't need to change services at least).
The biggest ones in terms of user base are diaspora and Mastodon. They're the ones which offer the least smooth ability to migrate from one pod to another, though, and currently they don't directly Federate with each other.
Friendica federates with all of the Federation/Fediverse, and it offers the ability to smoothly migrate from one pod to another via an export/import process.
Hubzilla also federates with all of the Federation/Fediverse, but it's a younger project that's a bit rougher around the edges. It offers the unique ability to have live "clones" across pods so you don't even have to do an export/import process to migrate. In fact, the "clones" automatically kick in as necessary if one pod goes down or gets disconnected from the internet. If you're comfortable with installing the server software, you can even spin up your own personal Hubzilla pod just for yourself so you can have a local "clone". That way, you'll always have a local copy of all your stuff. You could even use it to post/comment/like/etc when your Internet connection goes down. After the internet is connected again, all of your updates will get whooshed out to your other clones (and the federated services of your followers/followees).
If you, like me, don't ever want to go through the prospect of having to export all your posts/Collections/Communities/etc and then ... ehh... doing something with it... well, I'd suggest taking a serious look at Hubzilla's capabilities.
Reference: The History of Hubzilla:
http://www.talkplus.org/blog/2016/the-history-of-hubzilla/
http://www.talkplus.org/blog/2016/the-history-of-hubzilla/
Re: Friendica -- from my experience (attempted it once) the import/export there only brings over your contacts, not your content (posts, comments, etc.). Same issue with diaspora.
ReplyDeleteI think this is an important distinction to make when discussing migration. It significantly changes how failures are handled.
You've used the term "Federation/Fediverse" ... Could you explain what this means, in a nutshell? (I know what federation is.)
ReplyDeleteJohn Douglas Porter The way diaspora and related systems are able to connect to one another and share posts/information/etc across their various sites is the "Fediverse". By participating in the Federation, you follow some basic communication rules and you participate in a larger connection.
ReplyDeleteThe one you hear a lot about here is Plusora, but it is just one pod in a huge group of pods that exist and communicate with each other.
I have been trying to get hubzilla installed on CentOS7, but keep hitting snags. Searching for a walkthrough and only Ubuntu/Debian show up. Anyone know of a good tutorial for CentOS?
ReplyDeleteJohn Lewis You're saying "Fediverse" refers specifically to Diaspora* and the other systems with which it is federated?
ReplyDeleteJohn Douglas Porter The Fediverse is a specific grouping of social media systems, of which Diaspora is one.
ReplyDeletehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fediverse
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fediverse
ReplyDeleteen.m.wikipedia.org - Fediverse - Wikipedia
Is there a good hubzilla docker container to try?
ReplyDeleteKee Hinckley Probably? Github has a few, but I'm on a Mac and Docker hates mac.
ReplyDeleteJohn Lewis Really? I’ve used docker on my Mac a couple times. And I have friends who do it regularly.
ReplyDeleteKee Hinckley hrm... maybe it's been updated. When I used it, it crawled. Seriously slow filesystem access. Nasty habits. I was so unimpressed I just avoided it after that. Was a while ago though.
ReplyDeleteJohn Lewis Well, it will be a good test. I’ve only used it for one-time things.
ReplyDeleteJohn Douglas Porter, here's a summary: https://plus.google.com/+KentCrispin/posts/WcjmnUwTroD
ReplyDeleteplus.google.com - Very useful summary: https://medium.com/we-distribute/a-quick-guide-to-the-f...
oh. let me google that for me. sorry, guys. thanks.
ReplyDeleteYesterday, I signed up for Goggle+ (see plus.google.com - I liked #G+ so much, I bought it! Welcome to GogglePlus!, better than ever b... ), a node on the HubZilla framework.
ReplyDeleteShaun Arman I have heard that Hubzilla is not the easiest to set up, from several sources. I've also heard that it has some very attractive features. These rub different ways.
ReplyDeleteSverigeaktiviteter 2.0 Yes, you can register on an open hub, and there are several, with Goggle+ and https://hub.toot.cat/ (I'm "dr" there) two of which I'm aware.
ReplyDeleteHubzilla apparently makes migrating between hubs delightfully easy. Or so I'm told.
Sverigeaktiviteter 2.0 We're trying to discover and encourage tools to help migration to various platforms. Currently the first step will always be using Google TakeOut.
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There is one aspect in Hubzilla that's interesting and appealing to me. Some time ago I started using Google+ but I left it aside for a while. A friend of mine told me about Hangouts and then came Google MyBusiness. When I started looking for a job I realized that my G+/MyBusiness profile would be nice as a portfolio for customers and employers but many of them were not familiar with Google+ and apparently they wouldn't log in. What if i were able to turn my social media channel into a "traditional" website for those users: customers, casual visitors, colleagues... I don't want to send those people to Facebook. Even if apparently everyone's there yet. Oh, and I see so many streams that just redirect to web pages or blog posts. So why not writing just one thing.
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