The Search for a new Social media platform:
As Google+ will stop existing for private persons within the next 10 months, my search for a new online "home"continues.
MeWe is an alternative more and more people talks about.
Here is an interesting post from Hugo Diaz which is worth to take a closer look at.
The complete interview is worth to listen to, because it gives a glipmpse of insight regarding the founders thoughts about privacy and social media online.
May this be a real alternative to the FB world and a good alternative to Gplus?
Listen , and think about the founders points and point of view regarding these topics and questions.
H/t: Hugo Diaz
#mewe #socialmedia #some #some #googleplusrefugee #searchingforanewhome #tipoftheday #privacy #worthtoread
Originally shared by Hugo Diaz
VIDEO (54 mins) — MeWe CEO specifying all the little details.
I've seen a lot of people talking about MeWe, so I figured I'd put this link here, since it's got a little more than 350 views and it's the MeWe CEO talking about the platform, in-depth. This top link is cued on YouTube at 31m56s where he specifies the main commitment to users…
CUED LINK (at 31m 56s) --> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rlz3Up3dt2c&t=31m56s
During the whole video he talks about competitors (Facebook, etc) and what the hidden problems are with the people that favor marketing without telling people about it — which is DIFFERENT than his philosophy for MeWe, in his words, which basically is that PRIVACY IS IMPORTANT.
CUED LINK (at 3m 30s) — https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rlz3Up3dt2c&t=3m30s
Full video, from start --> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rlz3Up3dt2c
Also, link to this other video conversation with Jason Hardy, Product Director of MeWe (58 mins) from October 11th, 2018…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jzf_mcgjo_0
Official MeWe F.A.Q.
https://mewe.com/faq
#MeWe #MarkWeinstein #Sgrouples #JasonHardy #socialmedia
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rlz3Up3dt2c
As Google+ will stop existing for private persons within the next 10 months, my search for a new online "home"continues.
MeWe is an alternative more and more people talks about.
Here is an interesting post from Hugo Diaz which is worth to take a closer look at.
The complete interview is worth to listen to, because it gives a glipmpse of insight regarding the founders thoughts about privacy and social media online.
May this be a real alternative to the FB world and a good alternative to Gplus?
Listen , and think about the founders points and point of view regarding these topics and questions.
H/t: Hugo Diaz
#mewe #socialmedia #some #some #googleplusrefugee #searchingforanewhome #tipoftheday #privacy #worthtoread
Originally shared by Hugo Diaz
VIDEO (54 mins) — MeWe CEO specifying all the little details.
I've seen a lot of people talking about MeWe, so I figured I'd put this link here, since it's got a little more than 350 views and it's the MeWe CEO talking about the platform, in-depth. This top link is cued on YouTube at 31m56s where he specifies the main commitment to users…
CUED LINK (at 31m 56s) --> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rlz3Up3dt2c&t=31m56s
During the whole video he talks about competitors (Facebook, etc) and what the hidden problems are with the people that favor marketing without telling people about it — which is DIFFERENT than his philosophy for MeWe, in his words, which basically is that PRIVACY IS IMPORTANT.
CUED LINK (at 3m 30s) — https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rlz3Up3dt2c&t=3m30s
Full video, from start --> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rlz3Up3dt2c
Also, link to this other video conversation with Jason Hardy, Product Director of MeWe (58 mins) from October 11th, 2018…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jzf_mcgjo_0
Official MeWe F.A.Q.
https://mewe.com/faq
#MeWe #MarkWeinstein #Sgrouples #JasonHardy #socialmedia
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rlz3Up3dt2c
I am hearing from Benjamin Russell that you are not allowed to share links on MeWe - that is a big point against that site. Stupid rule.
ReplyDeleteMartha Magenta I'm not sure if I interpreted you correctly but you CAN share links on MeWe. The only problem is you can't get the URL to individual post so sharing to outside of the network is impossible, and when you reshare someone's post within the network credit to the original post will be lost. The devs said they're working to improve that but I don't have high hopes that it will come close to what we have in G+.
ReplyDeleteHalfey Halphstein thanks for clearing that up . Benjamin Russell - does this clear up the links issue?
ReplyDeleteViana If it's me I'm not going to create/share anything 'original' in there until the reshare feature supports proper crediting.
ReplyDeleteWould someone explain something to this dufuss? Why over on MeWe does it seem that the focus is on CHAT? I despise chat. Absolutely. You can't go back and reference it, you can't carry on a lengthy conversation.... It's flighty, off-the-cuff stuff, so why is that the [expletive omitted] focus?
ReplyDeleteGreat interview with Mark, which summaries the intent of mewe.
ReplyDeleteHalfey Halphstein Right on!!!
ReplyDeleteRegarding sharing posts on MeWe to the internet at large: If that will ever become possible they will have given up on privacy. It's similar to sharing private posts on G+ to a wider audience than the original poster intended.
ReplyDeleteDL Keur It's the style of communication for people who come from the likes of Discord, group messaging apps, or even IRC if you want to go that far back.
ReplyDeleteMeWe's problem is a bit that it tries to do a little something for everyone. It comes across as unfocused. The UX is very similar to Facebook in this sense. It's difficult to get into and find your bearings.
Viana Yes. In my experience, if you want to compare against G+ and FB (social networks for "everyone") the UX of MeWe is closer to that of FB than G+ (without the data abuse of course).
ReplyDeleteSorry, Mark but there is not such thing as an ethical capitalist.
ReplyDeleteAnd if MeWe makes an IPO, count me out.
Viana Worker co-ops.
ReplyDeleteViana And they are financed thru commercial loans, not equity.
ReplyDeleteSo if I understand it correctly you can't post something on MeWe and then post a direct link to that post on for example Twitter?
ReplyDeleteShawn H Corey Oh, yeah. That works. NOT. Ask the workers in China or those who were part of the Soviet Union. The people in power profit and the workers labor for them and starve. You need to read history. Stop being naive.
ReplyDeleteHayo Jongbloed You can't, for now.
ReplyDeleteRegarding capitalism... I found this an interesting read:
ReplyDeletehttps://eand.co/how-capitalism-destroys-democracy-c424e373ae85
eand.co - How Capitalism Destroys Democracy – Eudaimonia and Co
Hayo Jongbloed No, you can't link to MeWe posts outside of MeWe.
ReplyDeleteThomas Mueller As long as that's not possible, MeWe isn't a viable alternative for me.
ReplyDeleteThomas Mueller So MeWe is even more closed and content proprietary than is Facebook? That's not practical.
ReplyDeleteMeWe has more stringent privacy policies than Facebook. This is not the same as content proprietary. Their data export is more straight-forward than FB's, at least to me.
ReplyDeleteWhat MeWe isn't good for is world-public publishing (due to those same privacy concerns).
At that point, why don't I just use old Python announcement lists for carrying on conversations with my favorite pals, then. Or use a Usenet type system. SOCIAL media is supposed to be social, not cloistered corners designed for sissy-whispering within your favorite clique. <-- and, yes, I know that's mean of me. Sorry. It's just that the options have exhausted themselves. I'm not happy with any of the alternatives.
ReplyDeleteDL Keur Because G+ communities have 10 months to migrate, we need an alternative, and the federated networks don't provide a good one so far.
ReplyDeleteSo cloistered corners with sissy-whispering it is for now.
I don't know what your experience is in moderating mailing lists against spam and trolls, but I'd rather live in a cloistered sissy-whispering corner.
Juha Lindfors I thought the aim here was to find a good alternative ...or build one to G+. Cloistered communities don't provide for the needs of those who survive by marketing their products and services, nor to those who want broad, open discourse on topics of interest. It doesn't permit exposure to new ideas, and limits scope of perspective. At that point, instead of social, it becomes tribal, something counterproductive to furthering the common good.
ReplyDeleteI think the competitors have always been only interested in making a "better facebook". They've never taken G+ into consideration. That's why we're having a hard time to find a new place.
ReplyDeleteDL Keur Nobody's going to build an alternative to G+ in 10 months so that option is out.
ReplyDeleteYou won't find a single platform that caters to all use cases that G+ facilitated.
There are multiple different platforms and each excels in one particular area. The G+ community will fragment. It is inevitable.
Pick a platform that fits your needs. Or you'll have to pick several if your use of G+ took advantage of more than one of its social aspects (collections, communities, photo sharing, public publishing, marketing, exposure).
Or declare social as we know it dead.
It seems very hard to find an alternative that can "copy" G+ and all its features... I have jumped to Twitter and looking for an alternative which can be a "number 2" and give the little extra Twitter does not offer. FB is not a service I wish to use, or create an account unless I have no other choice . But I still think I have a choice...
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Did anyone look at eter9? This has just been brought to my attention and it seems to have e a lot of public-friendly communities-friendly features (beyond the hype about AI, which seems more like a long term idea than actual feature)
ReplyDeleteDenis Wallez JUst looked at it. A Counterpart? AI? Really. No thanks.
ReplyDeleteDL Keur if you look deeper (like Eli Fennell ) then you probably wouldn't stop so fast
ReplyDeleteI stopped at the door, because I want to know what I'm signing up for before entering. I don't go through doors when I don't know what's on the other side or what my information will be used for, Denis Wallez .
ReplyDeletemy understanding is that posts on mewe cannot be searched, read, or indexed by search engines outside of mewe. In other words, Google and other third-party search engines can't find posts on mewe at all. Which means that your social circles will increase more slowly, and no post on mewe will ever go viral.
ReplyDeleteI'm still looking around, but I'm particular about the company I keep, and a lot of what I see on MeWe raises red flags for me.
ReplyDeletePat Kight Me, too. I'm not particular about the INTELLIGENT company I keep, but I avoid people who walk in lock-step and who insist it's their way or the highway.
ReplyDeleteDL Keur the "terms" and "privacy" are available before going through the door... AND we're on a post promoting MeWe of which you see nothing before registering either. It seems even plausible you did create a MeWe account if you know of the company there...
ReplyDeleteSure, you don't seem enamoured with MeWe any more than eter9, but in relation to the OP, and to the community it is posted into, asking "did anyone look at eter9?" seemed reasonable.
Denis Wallez All right. Tell you what. I'll give it a try just like I did MeWe, Minds, and some others. If an AI cybers up to me and rubs its genitals on me, though, I'm warning you that I carry. :D <--that's me joking. I will go give it a try.
ReplyDeleteDL Keur China does not have or the Soviet Union did not have co-ops. Co-ops work better than capitalist companies. thenation.com - Worker Cooperatives Are More Productive Than Normal Companies
ReplyDeleteViana Ever heard of credit unions?
Viana Credit unions are quite popular in my area. And as I understand it, they have a much lower failure rate than banks.
ReplyDeleteViana Well, credit unions and worker co-ops will never catch on if you keep repeating capitalist propaganda.
ReplyDeleteHalfey Halphstein Absolutely this will be fixed and live this fall. Originally we went too far in protecting the privacy of the original poster's identification during reshares. This has been on our production schedule to fix and is being worked on now. Sorry about that - this will be fixed soon and all reshares will attribute the original poster! #MeWe #SocialDoneRight
ReplyDeletePeter Maranci No worries! Open posts is part of MeWe's fall sprint that the MeWe engineering team is currently in. MeWe Pages launch next week, and then Open Posts along with the ability to "follow" a member profile will launch a few weeks later. Since we have no algorithms limiting what your followers or you see, you'll see every post made on the pages or by the people you follow, in timeline order. We stand by our motto: NO BS! Thanks for letting us know how important open posting is to the G+ community.
ReplyDeleteMark Weinstein Okay. I look forward to seeing these improvements. I just spent the day researching decentralized and secure using scripting with which I'm comfortable to replicate somewhat what used to be Classic G+ and something I have on my own intranet that we use in house. I'd rather not be having to try to wrap my head around such things, so if MeWe can, I'm all for it.
ReplyDeleteMartha Magenta > +Benjamin Russell - does this clear up the links issue?
ReplyDeleteNo; it doesn't. The problem is not technical, but legal: According to the Terms of Service for MeWe (see https://mewe.com/terms), "Post spam or link bait" is disallowed on MeWe. The problem is that the term "link bait" is ambiguous, and could even potentially refer to a link provided to back up a scholarly reference (I routinely provide scholarly references to back up my sources).
Some may say that MeWe wouldn't interpret it that way, but suppose that I did something that the staff of MeWe didn't like (say, I wrote a post on another SNS about a disadvantage of, or bug in, MeWe). The legal staff of MeWe could then invoke that clause to revoke my account, claiming that I posted "spam" when I only posted a reference, just as an excuse to get rid of me.
MeWe is a corporation, and that is how corporations operate. I know corporate culture.
mewe.com - MeWe: The best chat & group app with privacy you trust.
Mark Weinstein Thank you. Will our public posts and communities on MeWe be visible and indexable to external search engines such as Google?
ReplyDeleteWill we be able to share public MeWe posts with non-MeWe members, other than by sending them a full copy of a post?
Benjamin Russell I haven't checked out tht site yet. I will need to see what other's are posting (and getting away with)
ReplyDeleteMartha Magenta > I will need to
ReplyDelete> see what other's are posting (and
> getting away with)
You won't be able to see what others are posting on MeWe unless you sign up first.
Also, even if others are "getting away with" posting something now, that is no guarantee that they (or someone else, for that matter) will do so at any point in the future.
Corporations are not known for fairness. It is highly likely that if someone posts "linkbait" praising MeWe, then they won't invoke their Terms of Service to revoke that person's account; however, if that same person (or anyone else) should post a negative comment in exactly the same manner, they might.
As a corporation, they need to earn capital, and they won't earn capital if they routinely treat those perceived as helpful and harmful in the same manner. As a corporation, they can (and, most likely, will) give preferential treatment to those that they perceive to increase their profit margin. And this includes using ambiguity in their Terms of Service to revoke the accounts of anyone they don't like (that is probably the reason that their Terms of Service are deliberately worded to be ambiguous--"linkbait" is an extremely ambiguous term, and could be interpreted to mean "any link to any reference that detracts from their bottom line").
Whenever I sign up for any online service, the very first thing that I do is to read their Terms of Service thoroughly, and to check for ambiguity. Any ambiguity there immediately raises a red flag for me.
Benjamin Russell very true and very wise. This is precisely the reason why many here prefer to find or create an open source site - if you scan through the posts, you will see what I mean. I think Mewe might be OK for running a poetry community, but most want more than that.
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