Survey: What factors are influencing your selection for or against G+ alternative platforms and/or sites?
Survey: What factors are influencing your selection for or against G+ alternative platforms and/or sites?
We're trying to get a sense of what people are looking at in finding Google+ alternative platforms and sites. Rather than try to structure the format, this is going to be free-form.
The survey is about factors not platforms. I'm not looking for what site or tool you're looking to use, but what you considered in choosing it.
No advocacy. No unnecessary political discussion. You might mention some specific tolerance or intolerance, but avoid partisan or ideological references. E.g., "supports free speech" or "bans hate speech" would be acceptable. "Chosen platform of the Glorious Party of the Frezzbrats" is not.
Please limit comments to responding to the survey only. I've set up a separate discussion post if for any discussion here:
https://plus.google.com/104092656004159577193/posts/DCoG37WiFGQ
Thanks.
As examples of considerations:
"Has a mobile app"
"Has policy allowing / disallowing"
"Perfomrance"
"My friends / employer / community is/is going there"
etc.
If you are not planning on continuing a social / user-generated presence, you can state so and why.
Thanks, all.
We're trying to get a sense of what people are looking at in finding Google+ alternative platforms and sites. Rather than try to structure the format, this is going to be free-form.
The survey is about factors not platforms. I'm not looking for what site or tool you're looking to use, but what you considered in choosing it.
No advocacy. No unnecessary political discussion. You might mention some specific tolerance or intolerance, but avoid partisan or ideological references. E.g., "supports free speech" or "bans hate speech" would be acceptable. "Chosen platform of the Glorious Party of the Frezzbrats" is not.
Please limit comments to responding to the survey only. I've set up a separate discussion post if for any discussion here:
https://plus.google.com/104092656004159577193/posts/DCoG37WiFGQ
Thanks.
As examples of considerations:
"Has a mobile app"
"Has policy allowing / disallowing
"Perfomrance"
"My friends / employer / community is/is going there"
etc.
If you are not planning on continuing a social / user-generated presence, you can state so and why.
Thanks, all.
Public posting is a big one for me.
ReplyDeleteNo content moderation (at least only really dangerous content should be removed)
ReplyDeleteCollections for content classification (not communities - collections or similar stuff)
Full-width desktop browser layout
Probably will go with self-hosted hubzilla.
Public posts, communities and collections.
ReplyDeleteI chosen Mewe because 1) most of my friends are going there; 2) it's similar to Google+; 3) It mixes up communities and chats, which is great. But there are two cons 1) age limit of 16, which might mean little to no content monitoring. 2) when you create an account using email and password and close the app, it doesn't save - you have to do it again.
ReplyDeleteI'm trying like MeWe, but the lack of truly public posts is very off-putting.
ReplyDeletePrimarily 0 long form possible, with some formatting capabilities, 1 ability to link to or cross-reference old posts, 2 public posts possible indexable searchable, 3 some categories (communities or collections) or the possibility to have multiple accounts (platform not asking unique account per person, regardless of whether it actually enforces so or not) in order to have one account per category... 4 hard to define but supportive of conversations, in particular not overly focusing on short comments (with all meaningful others having to be seen through clicking a "more...").
ReplyDeleteBasically the opposite of MeWe, where everything fades fast into oblivion
I was posting educational information in a Collection, my own art and co-moderated an educational community so I was looking for:
ReplyDelete- Some way to group or curate posts like G+ Collections
- Public posting (no account required to view)
- Self Moderation of comment content and ability to block
- Support for photos and links to other public sites eg news reports, further reading
EDIT Post editing - because I always forget something...
I don't have the technical expertise to work this stuff out unfortunately, so at this point I will do a data dump with the assistance of a friend to and walk away from all Google products. Nominal presence on Twitter and IG. :(
Since THAT day in October I've been trying to list "99 features a social media must have" in my quest to not only finding but also if possible, developing a social media that is perfect for me (not necessarily perfect for everyone else). So far I've "80 features" listed but it would be too long to list here so I'll just pick a random 5 features:
ReplyDelete1. Android mobile app
2. Circles
3. 'True' blocking
4. Post/comment editing
5. Upvote/downvote (with option to enable/disable them, as well as option to set voters visibility).
1. Public posts - findable in search
ReplyDeleteand viewable without logging in
or being forced to create an account
before I can see
if I want to be here.
2. Moderated against hate speech.
3. Good content for me to cherry pick.
4. Interesting people who are willing to engage in discussion (otherwise it is linkdumping / newsfeed)
Collections
ReplyDeleteCircles (public and restricted posting possible)
Ability to edit posts/comments (because I make a lot of typos)
Communities
Easy to use photo/video sharing
To add to my comment above, I don't really care where most plussers will migrate to but it's important for me to be able to discover people with similar interests, and how easy it is to discover them. If I were to base on interests alone I think some Mastodon instances would be the right kind of place for me but then Mastodon is a microblog, which is something I'm not exactly looking for.
ReplyDeleteLong form
ReplyDeletePublic posts
Not likely to random implode.. ie not a dotcom startup
Has the people I follow on it
Preferably an open protocol
• Long form posting
ReplyDelete• mobile app (both Android and iOS, even though I only use Android, to not exclude a large group)
° ability to enable/disable all notifications, but also fine-grained toggle support
° native WYSIWYG editor
° portrait and landscape support
° (auto-)drafting of posts
• formatting (preferably CommonMark or Github Flavoured Markdown)
• content warning
• media support
• responsive web layout
• read/write API access
• data portability
• post visibility restriction
• hashtags search and content discovery
• hashtag or keyword subscription
• circle sharing
• Collections
• spam and other content abuse reporting
• profile reporting
• topic muting
• topic hiding
• user muting
• user blocking
• topic subscription without having to reply
• topic resharing with custom description
• as-is content 'boosting'
• moderation on my own topics (ability to hide posts from others from my thread. The moderated list should be the default view, but users should have the ability to view the unmoderated discussion too)
• editing of own content
• mass purging of own content based on hashtag and/or date range
In case of Communities, the following moderation tools:
• moderation log (see who deleted/moved/edited content)
• moving content
• editing of others content, though with visible indication of moderator intervention, and with ability for original poster to retrieve their original text. Again with the ability to users to switch to unmoderated view
• delisting (but also ability of restoration) of content within the community. Content from public communities should remain visible and become interactable from their public timeline.
• banning of users
• hold topics for review (every single one, or only of new members, and/or of new profiles, and/or profiles with less than x posts, and/or from users matching a specified regular expression/keyword, and/or when the same content has already been reshared to x other communities).
• ability for users to report content to the moderators, along with a note describing why
• ability for users to contact moderators
I probably have way more, but for now this will have to do.
A negative reaction button. Not just a thumbs up. Even the Tube has it ffs.
ReplyDeleteMobile, searchable, moderation
ReplyDeleteOpen Source, decentralized, public and private posts, event calendar integration, full featured social media options and integration with other platforms, replacement for collections, circles, and communities, full dominion over content, privacy, and existence.
ReplyDeleteOne more 'factor' seems to be often overlooked by most people is the availability of social comment plugin that can be embedded on external websites. It's not really a factor for me but just now when I browsed a local news site the comment section reminds me of how I hate to use the Facebook Comment system. G+ has it too but it sure will die along with G+ itself. What's nice about social comment plugin is it's possible to automatically post the comment to our personal feed so we can follow the conversation when we check our feed without having to go to the website again.
ReplyDeleteShelenn Ayres pretty much nailed my list of requirements, above. That list is generally driving me in the direction of a Hubzilla instance at the moment. Whether I self-host or join an existing instance remains to be seen.
ReplyDeleteThe nice thing is that with Hubzilla it appears to be possible for anyone to self-host and still participate in the community, or to join an existing instance, and to switch hosting without losses if necessary or desired.
Also watching openbook, and perhaps a couple of others, as I read various sites and further develop my requirements list.
- public sharing of links and photos with some commentary
ReplyDelete- convenient way to post photos from Android
- Interesting people to follow
Oh, and that reminds me of something I miss from the early days of G+, though I have the feeling I'm a small minority when it comes to this:
ReplyDeleteA feed of the content posted by people who are following you, though perhaps limited to the people who recently started following you (let's say the last month).
I used to find this very handy to quickly separate the people who followed me because we shared similar interests, from the spammers and/or those who seemed to only follow random people to increase their numbers. This combined with easy tools to follow, mute and block users, would be very helpful imho.
So: a feed containing content by people who recently started following you
edit, to prevent further offtopic discussion:
On G+ this was likely called 'Incoming', before it was scrapped.
For messaging see Matrix + Riot
ReplyDeleteDiana Studer, Filip H.F. Slagter: could you please move discussion to the discussion thread? Thanks.
ReplyDeleteSome of my factors (incomplete):
ReplyDeleteFactors for:
• True blocking & muting (and timed variations thereof, preferably)
• Enable/disable comments (preferably per post)
• Public posts, and ability to choose scope from public to only viewable by self and as many gradients in between, per post. (See for example Mastodon's implementation)
• My previously known contacts & acquaintances are already there (moreso for actual friends & family)
• Good-faith post-editing
• Federation protocol
• Account portability between instances/pods/servers
Factors against:
• Condoning of harassment (whether or not “in the name” of “free speech“)
• Condoning of brigading (ditto)
• Culture of machismo, domineering, conflict-seeking, and free-for-all
• Easily overwhelmed moderator/moderating team
• …or worse, each individual user must fend for themselves (attack from a mob/brigade, for example)
• Dependence on a single person/organisation/corporation/startup for continued operation
(Will revisit & clean-up/make complete this comment some time later.) (Maybe.)
Open format and the ability to be viewed publicly. I can go without a circles equivalent if there is good community and collections support.
ReplyDeleteFactors for:
ReplyDeleteExists, works, is useful, has an appealing community. Provides data sovereignity and portability. Tends to quality discourse. Offers public access w/o registration. Has appropriately powerful tools for managing content, connections, groups, and filters. Principled leadership / direction. Appears likely to survive. No advertising. Useful search.
Factors against:
Doesn't exist (in development / defunct), is not useful, has an unappealing community. Is a data silo. Is or seems headed to being a cesspit. Lacks public access, requires registration to view. Lacks appropriately powerful tools for managing content, connections, groups, and filters. Unprincipled leadership / direction. Appears unlikely to survive. Advertising. No search.
(^^ lacks a strategic l at access)
ReplyDeleteGiven a choice between no ads or a paywall, I would choose freemium (as Feedly offers)
ReplyDeleteDiana Studer you and me both. If I have to pay, I'd rather stick to the server hardware I already pay for.
ReplyDelete