Eli Fennell My pleasure. Although I don't like the superficial similarity to Facebook of ETER9, I have always been interested in machine learning, and am especially interested in deep learning.
Jeremy Albright Ironically, although ETER9 superficially resembles Facebook, apparently, it is not possible to share ETER9 posts on Facebook because the sharing app doesn't actually work.
> Share on Facebook > > To date I have not been able to get > this to work; it tells me I need to > give the app permissions, then > redirects back to the Bridge when I > click or tap Continue. In theory this > shares your Posts to your > Facebook account that includes a > link back to ETER9 itself. elifennell.com - ETER9 User Guide
It's both terribly hilarious and slightly frightful to witness that some educated people in 2018 believe in dualism, in mind separated from flesh. When you die, the knowledge you have created will survive you, whether in a "AI" or on a painting or a song or a blog. In no way it is you. They are as much you as your decaying corpse. We are one. Not an immaterial spirit which lives outside of a dirty flesh. Our ideas, our acts are created as much by our brains as by our hormones, our guts, our gut bacteria even. But also by the people with whom we interact. At best, you have there an advanced ELIZA.
What an anti-social concept. The human brain has evolve to forget. This is necessary for a health society. We have to create systems that forget rather than ones with extended memory.
Shawn H Corey Simply don't Post anything you want it to forget, or Delete anything you subsequently decide you want it to forget. You can also disable the Counterpart completely.
Ray Kurzweil is definetly more à cult leader than a serious engineer. About Henrique Jorge, I don't know the guy but the idea behind is that you survive on social media through an avatar created by an AI. it means you are what you type, which I strongly doubt. Secondly, it means your aspect doesn't change. I do. My passions change, my mood change, my mental activity changes. It depends on my hormones, on the weather, on the kids, on the sleep, even on the juice I drink (I took too much bissap not knowing it has a lot of oxalic acid, result kidney stones are back and bad sleep and nasty mood)... AI can't model who I am.
Olivier Malinur Everything about my knowledge and experience of the site suggests you're expecting more than they're promising. The Counterpart isn't meant to be a Real You Counterpart, it's more meant to be like a fancy Post Scheduler that knows enough about you to ascertain the sorts of things you'd Share. I've set mine so only I can see its Posts, thus giving me final approval to set it to Connections or Public depending on whether I like it. And for now, I've turned off the Eternal Counterpart, i.e. the one that keeps going if you die, until we see how the Living Counterpart develops.
Olivier Malinur > Secondly, it means your aspect doesn't change. I do.
Mine doesn't. I have substantially the same interests and passions as I had before entering college, despite the fact that a number of decades have passed since then.
Just because your aspect changes, you shouldn't assume that the same is true for everyone else. Also, it is possible for the aspect portrayed by a virtual avatar to evolve based on Deep Learning.
DL Keur > I'm glad that poop and > poopers are both biodegradable, > not eternal.
Indeed. At least some ideas are not biogradable, however. For example, those of Galileo Galilei weren't. Ditto for Charles Darwin. Not everyone can become one like them, however. Anyway, time to get back on-topic (I'll try to refrain from off-topic comments as much as possible).
So far, having read through Eli Fennell's "ETER9 User Guide" (see http://elifennell.com/eter9-user-guide/), it seems that ETER9 is in at least some respects actually more similar to Google+ than to Facebook; specifically:
1. ETER9 has categories, which very loosely correspond to communities on Google+. Apparently, there is no counterpart for categories on Facebook. The main difference between ETER9's categories and Google+'s communities is that the former are pre-defined and (currently) fixed at 10 in number.
2. ETER9 is not essentially based on connections between a user and that user's family and friends, but between that user, that user's virtual Counterpart, and other users, virtual Counterparts, and/or NiNers (virtual assistants (currently, only ELiZA NiNE is a NiNer). This mechanic is fundamentally different from that of Facebook, and more similar to that of Twitter and Google+.
3. Currently, the "Share on Facebook" function of ETER9 apparently doesn't actually work. Also, it is not necessary to have an account on Facebook to create an account on ETER9; it is possible to create a new ETER9 account directly on the ETER9 home page.
In other words, while ETER9 is superficially similar to Facebook, it actually operates more similarly to Google+.
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Thanks, Benjamin Russell!
ReplyDeleteEli Fennell My pleasure. Although I don't like the superficial similarity to Facebook of ETER9, I have always been interested in machine learning, and am especially interested in deep learning.
ReplyDeleteEli Fennell My pleasure!
ReplyDeleteI considered this platform, but the mandatory FB login made it a no go for me.:-/
ReplyDeleteJeremy Albright It's not mandatory, but only optional.
ReplyDeleteIt is possible to create a new account on ETER9 without having a Facebook account by entering the account creation credentials on the ETER9 home page.
I myself deleted my Facebook account back in 2012, but am considering creating an ETER9 account.
Jeremy Albright NOT mandatory. Just don't use it. I don't.
ReplyDeleteI got as far as the login will be created for you, and stopped reading. Maybe I should read some more
ReplyDeleteJeremy Albright Yeah, I don't use FB to log-in. Never have.
ReplyDeleteJeremy Albright Ironically, although ETER9 superficially resembles Facebook, apparently, it is not possible to share ETER9 posts on Facebook because the sharing app doesn't actually work.
ReplyDeleteAccording to Eli Fennell's "ETER9 User Guide" (see http://elifennell.com/eter9-user-guide/),
> Share on Facebook
>
> To date I have not been able to get
> this to work; it tells me I need to
> give the app permissions, then
> redirects back to the Bridge when I
> click or tap Continue. In theory this
> shares your Posts to your
> Facebook account that includes a
> link back to ETER9 itself.
elifennell.com - ETER9 User Guide
Benjamin Russell I haven't tried it for a while, it may work now. Never really cared as much about it.
ReplyDelete#PleaseWikiThis
ReplyDelete#pinme
ReplyDelete(A reminder to pin this article for later -- I've got a conflicting pin set for Monday's AMA right now. After then.)
Well, I'm there, but it's rather empty for me. https://www.eter9.com/cortex/DLKeur
ReplyDeleteIt's both terribly hilarious and slightly frightful to witness that some educated people in 2018 believe in dualism, in mind separated from flesh.
ReplyDeleteWhen you die, the knowledge you have created will survive you, whether in a "AI" or on a painting or a song or a blog. In no way it is you. They are as much you as your decaying corpse. We are one. Not an immaterial spirit which lives outside of a dirty flesh. Our ideas, our acts are created as much by our brains as by our hormones, our guts, our gut bacteria even. But also by the people with whom we interact.
At best, you have there an advanced ELIZA.
DL Keur With very few exceptions, alternate platforms will be empty.
ReplyDeleteThough that raises the question of expanding into fresh, empty territories or occupied ones.
If empty, the ability to interact with occupied ones might be a consideration ;-)
What an anti-social concept. The human brain has evolve to forget. This is necessary for a health society. We have to create systems that forget rather than ones with extended memory.
ReplyDeleteShawn H Corey Simply don't Post anything you want it to forget, or Delete anything you subsequently decide you want it to forget. You can also disable the Counterpart completely.
ReplyDeleteDL Keur Sent you a Connection request. Like G+, it isn't empty, but only a small percentage of registered users are active.
ReplyDeleteOlivier Malinur I'm not really sure I see who you're referring to. Did someone on this Post mention dualism? If so, I can't see their comment.
ReplyDeleteDualism is the unsaid belief behind these type of cults.
ReplyDeleteOlivier Malinur Cults???
ReplyDeleteOlivier Malinur Wait... are you under the impression ETER9 is a cult?
ReplyDeleteIt's not. Henrique Jorge is no more a cult leader than Ray Kurtzweil.
Just want to say, my avatar had the external skin circuit pattern first. ;)
ReplyDeleteJeremy Albright I didn't use my FB login. I signed up the usual way.
ReplyDeleteEli Fennell Checking.
ReplyDeleteEli Fennell Possibly not the most convincing comparison ;-)
ReplyDeleteIt's also the case that, like G+, the Default Privacy on ETER9 is Private, not Public, which presents a challenge.
ReplyDeleteRay Kurzweil is definetly more à cult leader than a serious engineer.
ReplyDeleteAbout Henrique Jorge, I don't know the guy but the idea behind is that you survive on social media through an avatar created by an AI.
it means you are what you type, which I strongly doubt. Secondly, it means your aspect doesn't change. I do. My passions change, my mood change, my mental activity changes. It depends on my hormones, on the weather, on the kids, on the sleep, even on the juice I drink (I took too much bissap not knowing it has a lot of oxalic acid, result kidney stones are back and bad sleep and nasty mood)...
AI can't model who I am.
Olivier Malinur Everything about my knowledge and experience of the site suggests you're expecting more than they're promising. The Counterpart isn't meant to be a Real You Counterpart, it's more meant to be like a fancy Post Scheduler that knows enough about you to ascertain the sorts of things you'd Share. I've set mine so only I can see its Posts, thus giving me final approval to set it to Connections or Public depending on whether I like it. And for now, I've turned off the Eternal Counterpart, i.e. the one that keeps going if you die, until we see how the Living Counterpart develops.
ReplyDeleteFolks, let's focus on the platform, not the cultishness or noncultishness of unrelated third parties.
ReplyDelete(Myself included, both in convo and cultishness.)
DL Keur I find myself uninformed (again). Why not use one's FB login?
ReplyDeleteJeff Diver Because FB doesn't need to know. And you don't want one password across all platforms.
ReplyDeleteThere are always people who poop on someone else's parade. Glad poopers are not eternal. Interesting post Benjamin Russell
ReplyDeleteMartha Magenta LOL. I'm glad that poop and poopers are both biodegradable, not eternal.
ReplyDeleteDL Keur haha!
ReplyDeleteEdward Morbius , sorry for my aparté.
ReplyDeleteOlivier Malinur > Secondly, it means your aspect doesn't change. I do.
ReplyDeleteMine doesn't. I have substantially the same interests and passions as I had before entering college, despite the fact that a number of decades have passed since then.
Just because your aspect changes, you shouldn't assume that the same is true for everyone else. Also, it is possible for the aspect portrayed by a virtual avatar to evolve based on Deep Learning.
DL Keur > I'm glad that poop and
ReplyDelete> poopers are both biodegradable,
> not eternal.
Indeed. At least some ideas are not biogradable, however. For example, those of Galileo Galilei weren't. Ditto for Charles Darwin. Not everyone can become one like them, however. Anyway, time to get back on-topic (I'll try to refrain from off-topic comments as much as possible).
So far, having read through Eli Fennell's "ETER9 User Guide" (see http://elifennell.com/eter9-user-guide/), it seems that ETER9 is in at least some respects actually more similar to Google+ than to Facebook; specifically:
1. ETER9 has categories, which very loosely correspond to communities on Google+. Apparently, there is no counterpart for categories on Facebook. The main difference between ETER9's categories and Google+'s communities is that the former are pre-defined and (currently) fixed at 10 in number.
2. ETER9 is not essentially based on connections between a user and that user's family and friends, but between that user, that user's virtual Counterpart, and other users, virtual Counterparts, and/or NiNers (virtual assistants (currently, only ELiZA NiNE is a NiNer). This mechanic is fundamentally different from that of Facebook, and more similar to that of Twitter and Google+.
3. Currently, the "Share on Facebook" function of ETER9 apparently doesn't actually work. Also, it is not necessary to have an account on Facebook to create an account on ETER9; it is possible to create a new ETER9 account directly on the ETER9 home page.
In other words, while ETER9 is superficially similar to Facebook, it actually operates more similarly to Google+.