Established G+ Exodus Communities
As of 13 October 2018, pluspora.com - increased membership from perhaps 100 before the G+ termination announcement (October 9?) to 5500 within a few days afterward.
The MeWe community “Google Plus Refugees” has 124 members. community “Google+” has 20 members.
The Cake interest category “Google” has 189 followers. Recent posts address the demise of G+. The category also tracks other Google-related matters including related consumer devices and working at Google, and others.
I’d like Facebook, Twitter, Reddit, and any other relevant stats as well.
Thanks to Cade Johnson
#googleplus #gplusrefugees #PlexodusWiki
https://social.antefriguserat.de/index.php/Established_G%2B_Diaspora_Communities
https://social.antefriguserat.de/index.php/Established_G%2B_Diaspora_Communities
As of 13 October 2018, pluspora.com - increased membership from perhaps 100 before the G+ termination announcement (October 9?) to 5500 within a few days afterward.
The MeWe community “Google Plus Refugees” has 124 members. community “Google+” has 20 members.
The Cake interest category “Google” has 189 followers. Recent posts address the demise of G+. The category also tracks other Google-related matters including related consumer devices and working at Google, and others.
I’d like Facebook, Twitter, Reddit, and any other relevant stats as well.
Thanks to Cade Johnson
#googleplus #gplusrefugees #PlexodusWiki
https://social.antefriguserat.de/index.php/Established_G%2B_Diaspora_Communities
https://social.antefriguserat.de/index.php/Established_G%2B_Diaspora_Communities
I have no doubt that Pluspora has many more Plussers than MeWe, but category enrollment isn't really a good way to gauge that. I don't want to belong to a bunch of Groups on MeWe. I'm sure there are others who feel the same way. Again, I'm not disputing that Pluspora has attracted more interest only that I question the methodology.
ReplyDeleteAlso, the numbers must have changed since he made his post. Perhaps, they changed because of this post because the Google Plus Refugees Group now has 289 members, the Great G+ RPG Exodus Group has 765. If group enrollment shows anything, it may be that the MeWe groups need to do a better job at advertising their existence.
John Ward Hard data is hard data. Social numbers are squishy, as the rant I've just posted makes clear. They're not impossible to measure though.
ReplyDeleteIf MeWe has other ways of reporting / gathering numbers, I'd like to see them.
Registration uptick would be one gauge, and one of their PMs mentioned that in a YouTube interview in the past few days.
Cade is on a bunch of platforms, so is getting a broad view I'm not seeing.
Edward Morbius part of my confusion to his assertion that they had 128 members is because there's yet another MeWe group named Google+ Refugees that I just discovered. When you add the 128, 289, and 765 (assuming memberships don't overlap-- and they probably do) you have around a thousand members. Still small in comparison to Pluspora though.
ReplyDeleteMaybe there's nobody on the MeWe list because I, for one, can't find anyone. I'm not going to blindly apply for group access without first knowing what I'm getting into, so if I can't check it out publicly, then I'm certainly not clicking the join button. John Ward is on MeWe, but there are three John Ward's, only one of which is using a mug shot, and that one ain't my John Ward.
ReplyDeleteDL Keur go to my profile. I made a post that linked to my MeWe account. If you want to connect with me, you can find a direct link to my profile there. MeWe’s obsessive focus on privacy is hurting them in this area because discovery on that network really does suck compared to others. If you do send me a connection request there, look at my contacts list (after we’re connected). I have a few hundred connections there. There’s bound to be a couple of people you recognize.
ReplyDeleteI joined a bunch of those MeWe groups in the last half hour or so and left a few posts about my own agendas. It is hard for MeWe groups to interact - there is no "commons". I updated the wiki with some numbers I found there.
ReplyDeleteThanks John Ward for your kind assistance, btw.
ReplyDeleteBy conservative estimate yeah I'd say there's 1000+ migrations to MeWe so far judging by the groups that are visible to me (which is a somewhat niche community of RPG tabletop players with close to 800 individual members all from G+). I see other announcements of migrations to groups I don't belong to so getting to that 1000+ number doesn't seem too unrealistic. How far above 1000 is impossible to say.
ReplyDeleteJohn Ward If we can round up all the Lost Sheep and get a rough count, that works for me.
ReplyDeleteMy goal is accurate representation, not pitching one platform over another.
I also added a note to change the page name so as not to positiviely bias for Diaspora-the-platform. "Exodus", if/when I figure out renaming pages. #mediawiki.
Cade Johnson I’m happy to help in any way I can. If I find other clusters of former Plussers, I’ll let you know.
ReplyDeleteCade Johnson So, MeWe in a Warrens vs. Plazas sense is all Warrens?
ReplyDelete(So, to an extent, is G+, FWIW. Even Communities ... only vaguely work.)
John Ward Well, John Ward, there's only one me, and I spent well over a half hour trying to find the real you yesterday. That's enough investment. If you want to connect on MeWe, I'm right here: mewe.com - MeWe: The best chat & group app with privacy you trust.
ReplyDeleteEdward Morbius it’s not a problem. It really would be great if we all (or most of us) could land on the same network. I’m not sure how much influence you folks have, but the concerns I see raised about Pluspora (or any Diaspora) are:
ReplyDelete1. Funding
2. Accountability (because the pods are run as passion projects)
3. Lack of community features.
4. No mobile app for iOS.
5. A small group complains about the design and/or user interface.
Those are the reasons people frequently cite when they explain why they’ve chosen MeWe.
Here's what I already don't like about MeWe on just hopping over there for my once/day check-up -- the auto started messenger-like chat interface that appears.
ReplyDeleteDL Keur you can hide it... click the (i) on the chat window bar and then choose hide
ReplyDeleteDL Keur Y'know, a measurement of time-to-find-some-designated-contact on a new platform might be a good metric. The Where's Waldo criterion.
ReplyDeletePonder.
John Ward We're smoking from the same stash.
ReplyDeleteAgreed.
There is a modestly-capable iOS app, I think Brian Holt Hawthorne found it earlier.
(Another item for #PlexodusWiki)
(And does anyone mind if I mention how pleased I am with myself over that hashtag? It ... fits.)
I did not mind the MeWe chat boxes when I was only in a couple of groups, but once I joined about ten, I went scrambling for the controls to turn off those chat alerts!
ReplyDeleteI think you can build a group pretty well on MeWe - that is what it is made to do. So community leaders are going to have to look at that. For deep discussions with diverse contacts, Cake.co seems pretty good and I think the federated pods can work for that too. There is not an obvious one-size-fits-all replacement out there. I think everybody will appreciate the consideration we give to options, and then they will wander off in 1000 directions. You can't herd cats.
Cade Johnson Wow. Cake looks slick. I’d never heard of that platform before. It looks like a super charged version of Collections. It’s too bad they don’t seem to have community features, but I’m tempted to join just because of their focus on interest based conversations alone.
ReplyDeleteIt is beautiful at Cake, but the comments get in weird order. I don't quite have it figured out...
ReplyDeleteEdward Morbius I think the difficulties related to finding me were probably due to server load issues. I know that there have been times when I have searched for people who I knew to be on the network, but didn’t show up. Later in the evening, I’d try again and an exact match would show up. I’m not technical enough to be able to say whether server capacity could effect search results or not, but they have had some hiccups over there as more people have joined.
ReplyDeleteJohn Ward Search tends to be among the most demanding and glitchy aspects of sites. It's also frequently asynchronous or batched in terms of update and distribution.
ReplyDeleteno idea what MeWe are running, but this doesn't surprise me.
Edward Morbius , what should be emphasized with Pluspora is that some Google+ users went to Framasphere (the French) or to other pods. Still, they are very easy to find. So, the 5000 increase is a conservative figure.
ReplyDeleteOlivier Malinur Good point.
ReplyDeleteAny count or estimate?
I am not interested. I made my choice with Pluspora. The experience I had trying to register on MeWe and the religious proselytism of the users are a big deterrent for me.
ReplyDeleteOlivier Malinur You may not be but others are ;-)
ReplyDeleteI think on most platforms, +John Ward, search is either manually triggered to update when deemed necessary or, most usually, is scheduled to run incrementally, usu. once every 24 hours. It is very intensive on the server, though, and can slow and even stop surf side functionality.
ReplyDeleteDL Keur Platforms vary ... a lot.
ReplyDelete(I've worked on numerous ones.)
There are constantly-updated search, there's index-building, there's update-on-commit (basically: as information is added). There is compacting (or other terms, e.g., vacuuming) of databases and indices, to remove unused space. There's on-demand search (no prep infrastructure but very slow and heavy when it runs). I've had sites brought to their knees by bots scraping them. I've been awakened at 2 in the morning because of that. I've had our own internal processes blow up. And I've set through design meetings where provisioning costs are balanced against possible revenue.
It's a beast.
NB: I've changed my post title from "Diaspora" to "Exodus" to avoid confusion over the platform. The Wiki page has likewise been renamed.
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