Lately it feels as if there's been a mad stampede of users out of G+. More and more people are falling head over heels in love with one or another alternate service, pulling up stakes, and heading for the horizon.
This troubles me. G+ users were an unusual community; more thoughtful than Facebook, and kinder than Reddit. You pretty much had to be an interesting person to stay here while the Facebook juggernaut rolled on.
I have to admit something: I had pretty much given up on social media for the last six months or so. Facebook had become intolerable to me, with its frenetic shallowness and judgmentalism. Reddit was simply toxic. I couldn't help but see social media as a hollow replacement for the real-world, long-term social interaction that we as social animals have evolved to need: privatized, monetized, monitorable, and controllable. A roadblock to any chance of long-term human survival or a living decent human life.
But with the impending shutdown of Google Plus, I saw that people could actually work together online for a constructive purpose. That's a rare thing, and I value it. The thought of a community that can do that - and that cares enough to do that - being scattered to the winds makes me sad.
That's all I've got. I don't have an answer. Thanks for reading this.
This troubles me. G+ users were an unusual community; more thoughtful than Facebook, and kinder than Reddit. You pretty much had to be an interesting person to stay here while the Facebook juggernaut rolled on.
I have to admit something: I had pretty much given up on social media for the last six months or so. Facebook had become intolerable to me, with its frenetic shallowness and judgmentalism. Reddit was simply toxic. I couldn't help but see social media as a hollow replacement for the real-world, long-term social interaction that we as social animals have evolved to need: privatized, monetized, monitorable, and controllable. A roadblock to any chance of long-term human survival or a living decent human life.
But with the impending shutdown of Google Plus, I saw that people could actually work together online for a constructive purpose. That's a rare thing, and I value it. The thought of a community that can do that - and that cares enough to do that - being scattered to the winds makes me sad.
That's all I've got. I don't have an answer. Thanks for reading this.
I intend to go down with the ship.
ReplyDeleteI'm going down with the ship as well, and a few of my communities have set a timeline for moving to another platform with decisions and migration no earlier than January so that we can test the new places.
ReplyDeleteMostly what I've seen is a resurgence of people who had dropped off a while back returning just to say goodbye.
I was here in beta and I'll be here until the end
ReplyDeleteFrom the beginning right until the very end.
ReplyDeleteI'll keep using G+ like usual as if it will last forever.
ReplyDeleteUnfortunately, a lot of my communities posts will be forever lost. There is no way to export this data and there was a lot of 3D Printing development that happened there. Because of this, I'm migrating everything away from Google products, email, social media, everything, and I'm looking to regain control of the data I produce.
ReplyDeleteI know it sounds self-congratulatory, but I think plussers are handling this better than any other community would. Thousands sprang into immediate action, rationally and methodically searching for an adequate substitute platform.
ReplyDeleteThere was very little wailing and rending of garments, anger, and acting out, just an almost Mr. Spock-like approach. AND, I'm not at all surprised. It's a real shame that we're losing something so great.
I have set up an account on a couple of other platforms, but I haven't done anything with them yet except connect with people from here.
ReplyDeleteIt sucks to have to use three platforms to keep in touch with everyone, but at least it is the ability to keep in touch.
while there is still 10 months, quite a bit of people on here are artistic and used G+ as a place to show off their portfolios of talent. with the closing counting down, they want a place to start over and will need to do so quickly in order to rebuild what they are losing.
ReplyDeleteI won't stop using G+ until it's gone either... I LOVE this place. I'm very sad to see it go...and I have created accounts on a few other platforms but this will still be my main platform until the end.
ReplyDeleteYeah. I'll be here to the bitter end, too.
ReplyDeleteI'll be here. Wait I g for so.eone with a good idea on where we go.
ReplyDeleteUntil then I have a post up about a new book
"Anti-Social Media: How Facebook Disconnects Us and Undermines Democracy"
#Facebook +karen Jeffery +david Amerland +eli fennel
'When it is not necessary to make a decision, it is necessary to not make a decision"
ReplyDelete-- Lord Falkland
We have time. There are ten months to final sunset. Some services (data take out, static site) may be active beyond August 2019. Google have not yet made this clear, and should.
There are many alternatives. The big commercial names we all know, smaller and lesser options, both proprietary and open.
There's a tremendous opportunity for change. Several G+ exodus communities were created, my own is named The Beginning is Near specifically because I see a potential for radically restructuring the online landscape. It may be in Google's interest to help in this.
Assessments take time. We don't have a lot, but between now and mid January 2019, collecting alternatives, determining features that matter, and eliminating obvious disqualifications, in about that order, seems sensible.
Preserving community is utmost. Google+ is not a unitary community, it's an interconnected web of likely 1,000s to 10,000s of communities (5-10 million active users, 100 or so per real community (10^6 / 10^2 ~= 10^4). Each of those should be assessing its own mood, needs, goals, concerns, capabilities.
(Neither I, G+MM, nor anyone else tell you what to do, though many will try. Our aim is to help structure, guide, and inform that process, if you want that.)
Google+ Communities, their Owners, Moderators, and Members, have a large role to play. These range in size from small groups to thousands, tens, and hundreds of thousands of profiles, many of which remain active and engaged. I've been having multiple conversations with Community leaders concerned about how they and their data, discussions, and other assets will move. Google has no tools presently for Community migration. We can help address this.
There's value in a collective exodus voice. This is a large, vibrant, active, and influential group, or group of groups. Platforms are competing for interest and attention. One thing we can do, and are doing, is inviting and hosting Q&A sessions with platforms. AMAs with alternate sites and platforms start Monday with Eugen "Gargron" Rochko of Mastodon (1pm US/Eastern). Another candidate are Google themselves.
Fast-movers may be the least influential. It's paradoxical, but they express the least fixity to any one platform. They can (and will) migrate again, easily, if need arises.. Medium-movers have sway as they move with consideration, reluctance, and have assets to retain and manage. The final group are slow movers, who will (or plan to) remain out of lack of capacity, loyalty, interest, or other motives. This group may be vocal, but strategically and tactically this is a very limiting choice.
I count myself as a medium mover.
Interim camps are likely to exist. These should facilitate community continuity and planning but without high entry or exit costs. Email lists, Reddit forums, Yahoo and Google groups, or similar tools can serve this role. Beacon points on Blogs, Twitter, Facebook, Mastodon, Diaspora, etc., can be used as well. Points of contact, planning, and organisation.
Collaboration tools such as Wikis are tremendously useful. Wikia allows creating these easily. Mind the spammers and vandals (I've some recent experience).
Final days on G+ may be grim.
Few voices, little spam flagging, mostly bots and scammers. Google's AI-driven flagging tools will likely fails as the signal feeding them will be noise. I anticipate my own exit around April/May 2019, and little activity for some time prior.
ReplyDeleteMany of us are rethinking online priorities, strategies, and goals. I've got a basic plan. It involves far more of my own interests driving it than external ones. Voices I've admired and respected seem to have similar thoughts.
Centralisation provides some goods. Search, discovery, reach, engagement, directory (of contacts), spam and abuse mitigation, and resilience against legal and hacking attacks, among them. Decentralising these will prove challenging. It shouldn't be impossible.
Centralisation provides many bads. We've had a collective dawning awareness of this over the past 5-10 years, though the principles and dangers are ancient knowledge. Defanging the bads whilst preserving the goods is our challenge.
There will be and are many attempts to influence you. Hell, I'm trying to influence you, right here and now. Look for the voices who seek to serve your and your community's interests, not yours. Hasty uninformed actions serve the manipulative influencers.
Having a clear goal, timeline, group understanding, and awareness of options, tools, and capabilities are your greatest assets. Cultivate them.
The *Google+ Mass Migration Community (https://plus.google.com/communities/112164273001338979772), my smaller The Beginning is Near (https://plus.google.com/communities/107813327011154265528), the #PlexodusWiki (https://social.antefriguserat.de/), the /r/PLExodus subreddit (https://reddit.com/r/plexodus/), and similar efforts elsewhere (many referenced from these) are places to obtain and provide information, guidance, and meeting points, as well as share contacts and directories.
Use them.
Contribute to them.
Let's get a Move on.
ThantiK There is indeed a way to export the data.
ReplyDeleteEdward Morbius well said 👏
ReplyDeleteMike Waters metadata only. Already tried.
ReplyDeleteThantiK As G+ Community Owners and Moderators, you can request that G+ offer means to export the community content.
ReplyDeleteI don't know that this will do any good, but it's one of the few appeals I can see having much if any chance of success, as having value, and as being something on which a collective voice will matter.
I'm about to go spamming alerting Community leaders and members to the existence of this group and a number of points raised in my comment above. (A task I've been delaying for several days now.)
Edward Morbius And where can this be requested? There's no official way of contacting Google for anything.
ReplyDeleteThantiK There are Googlers.
ReplyDeleteThere's the Google+ Help Community.
Hell, there's the possibility of sending postal mail to the Plex and saying: Yo, make this happen.
Making noise in the press, among US and foreign consumer advocates (state and national Attorneys General), and legislators (state and national) may also help. That seems to get Google's attention.
But I'll ask nicely first. I've already dumped this on the lap of a few people I know who are burdened with the character deficiency of Giving a Shit and Wanting to Do the Right Thing.
Edward Morbius So there's my real answer. My real answer is that it's NOT possible, and requesting it is tentamount to shouting at the sun.
ReplyDeleteThantiK Google+ is supposedly issuing recommendations on how to export your data between now and sunset so don't give up on keeping your data.
ReplyDeleteSticking it out till the end, and then probably retreating to FaceBook, which I've continued to use to keep in touch with old friends and family, while directing my creative energy here. Fortunately, a number of the many wonderful photographers who've been my primary community here are also there, and starting to pull together the kinds of collaborations we've done here for years.
ReplyDeleteI've investigated most of the other alternatives, and they really ... aren't.
Phillip Landmeier Remember the Twinkie debacle!!! The world mourned when the company that made Twinkies was going to close. Yet, another company stepped in and bought the rights to make Twinkies!!!!! The world still has Twinkies!!! A lot can happen between now and August 2019.
ReplyDeleteIt sounds silly but remember the Twinkie debacle!!! The world mourned when the company that made Twinkies was going to close. Yet, another company stepped in and bought the rights to make Twinkies!!!!! The world still has Twinkies!!! A lot can happen between now and August 2019.
ReplyDeleteThantiK I've seen dim glimmers of promise. Not sure if that's encouraging or more torture.
ReplyDeleteIf we do not get a firm response in 2-4 weeks, presume none will be forthcoming.
Kathie Gifford Any references to those? Google are HORRIBLE at communications.
ReplyDeleteEven the legacy version of Google+ open sourced would be great. This would keep it alive.
ReplyDeleteDon McCollough The integration of G+ with back-end Google infrastructure likely makes that impossible. Or at the very least, extraordinarily improbable.
ReplyDeleteEdward Morbius I read this midway down into the link below:
ReplyDelete'To give people a full opportunity to transition, we will implement this wind-down over a 10-month period, slated for completion by the end of next August. Over the coming months, we will provide consumers with additional information, including ways they can download and migrate their data.'
blog.google - Project Strobe: Protecting your data, improving our third-party APIs, and sunsetting consumer Google+
Phillip Landmeier > There was very little wailing and rending
ReplyDelete> of garments, anger, and acting out, just an almost Mr. Spock-like
> approach.
It's rather interesting that you should use that reference; I've always modeled myself on that character, and the presence of similar Spock-like entities here on Google+ was one of the main reasons that I chose this platform.
Well, so far, I've been reading posts/comments by various Google+ users on alternative platforms, and signed up for 2 at this point: Dreamwidth and Goggle+ (a node on the HubZilla framework that apparently requires an invitation code (see https://plus.google.com/118298669883750766972/posts/7wo6TVKhTFf )). I plan to continue reading more posts/comments, and might sign up for a few more platforms, while comparing/contrasting them to find an optimal choice.
Chaos can be destructive in some ways, but constructive in others. While the loss of Goggle+ is substantial, it can also be considered an opportunity. For example, my next potential alternative for comparison is ETER9, an AI-based SNS that could potentially allow a deep learning-based avatar to continue posting according to my preferences even if my physical presence disappears for some reason; I would most likely never have learned of that service had this situation not arisen.
Benjamin Russell Yes, you never know. This upset may have a positive outcome.
ReplyDeleteBut the behavior here on G+ was extraordinary. Thousands of plussers fanned out into the world of social media options and returned with information and reasoned arguments. Groups were created for people to discuss options. Spreadsheets were created to organize the information. Who on Earth would do that besides Google Plussers? Nobody
We really are a bunch of geeks and nerds -- the "brain trust" that is sometimes referred to. And, Google is tossing it in the dustbin. It makes you wonder.
Phillip Landmeier > We really are a bunch of geeks and nerds
ReplyDelete> -- the "brain trust" that is sometimes referred to.
It is interesting that you are one of the few who understand that distinction (see https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Geek/Nerd+Debate). (Personally, I consider myself to be much more of a geek than a nerd.)
> And, Google is tossing it in the dustbin.
Google (and its parent company, Alphabet) apparently cannot afford to keep it running because it is not sufficiently profitable. This is a potential problem whenever the SNS is run by a for-profit corporation.
There is still the remote possibility that someone may offer to purchase Google+ from Google.
Also, recently I discovered an SNS that was apparently deliberately designed to be (superficially at least) very similar to Google+: Google+ Rewritten (see https://google-rewritten.mn.co/). Although the name of this site may eventually provoke a lawsuit from Google, currently, Google has little to gain by suing it (other than provoking indignation from those who migrate there).
google-rewritten.mn.co - Google+ Rewritten
Yeah, I assumed from the announcement that the real reason is that G+ has no mechanism to make any money. It's just a burden and potential liability. I get that, but I don't have to like it.
ReplyDeleteMe, I'm both geek and nerd. I have incredibly deep knowledge in certain technical fields. That's the nerd part. And, I'm fascinated by everything, from particle physics to zoology. I geek out over any cool science. This makes me what we used to call a synthesist. So, I'm on certain patents where we took seismic imaging technology from oil exploration and applied it to medical imaging and non-destructive testing. All tech is fun, and all tech is interrelated.
Kathie Gifford Right, but no update in the 13 days since then :-/
ReplyDeleteDon McCollough Sorting out who does want to move quickly (and can) vs. who doesn't (or cannot) is an interesting question.
ReplyDeleteMy sense is that people with portfolios elsewhere who've used G+ for publicity ... can move quickly.
That puts people who don't have portfolios elsewhere but need ongoing exposure in a tight bind, and that is another community that needs serving.
What's your sense / knowledge of actual interaction/engagement on G+ from Artists? I see a lot of content posted, but not much by way of substantial interaction on it. Is that your experience?
Phillip Landmeier I've seen some emotion.
ReplyDeleteI buried G+ a long time ago. I've still used it, but it's a tool. My immediate response was "woah", then I confirmed the news, and looked to start forming some sort of community (not actually this one) in response.
I'd had a personal move in progress. A group migration creates a different dynamic.
One recognition was that people had no idea what to do or where to even start, so starting to try to suggest a structure seemed like a reasonable approach. I'm an organiser, in a personal / informational sense, not really a people/groups one. So I started organising.
The other general impression is there's this plane with a few hundreds of thousands or millions of souls on it, and a few snakes, let's get it safely on the ground. Motherlovin' snakes and all.
And I've worked in and around data, infotech, startups, seen a community migration or two (vastly smaller) before, etc., etc. So I'm not walking in completely blind.
(Mind: as a space alien cat you can chose to take or not take my word for any of this, and I've built this particular reputation on the basis of just look at what I do and decide if it's sensible yourself. That's ... been relatively effective, if not universally embraced.)
Edward Morbius Hah, yeah, some emotion, but relatively little. Given the grief and pain this is causing many users, there's almost no cursing of Google's offspring unto the seventh generation. I was impressed by the rationality and "let's fix this" attitudes I've seen.
ReplyDeleteI have searched for an alternative to G+. Still listening (and looking - thanks Edward Morbius for this initiative) but, so far, it doesn't exist. The few promising alternatives are in the process of long drawn out death, are absent any semblance of functionality or are vulnerable to alt right/left/troll attack.
ReplyDeleteHeidi Lynn the problem is the humans.
Peter Quinton The alternative doesn't have to beat G+. It has to beat everything else available.
ReplyDeleteAnd in all likelihood, it won't be the same as Google+ That's a key realisation about migrations, new lands, and new platforms.
You can't go home again.
Edward Morbius Someone has apparently tried to create a (superficially) very similar alternative: Google+ Rewritten (see https://google-rewritten.mn.co/online-members).
ReplyDeleteThere is no guarantee that Google might eventually sue this site; however, it seems rather similar in some ways at first glance. However, having just been created on October 9, it still has very little content; nevertheless, it might grow in the near future.
google-rewritten.mn.co - Google+ Rewritten
Peter Quinton Try MeWe, I have been on there ever since the announcement and i actually think its better than G+ in so many ways, Seperate chat column from the main feed, An events calendar for groups, yes groups....An attached cloud storage, Emojis and text editing in the comments window, I could go on and on....
ReplyDeleteJohn Phillips
ReplyDeletehttps://lh3.googleusercontent.com/KAYGNvMQ8-psXzC9inv_inW3t4Jsfv-2LJatrvO9J9NP72XpEA6wUCsBMlvBmd3rImGbpy14h9gjkBc=s0
ThantiK The official way to contact Googlers about any free Google product is to use Send Feedback from the menu.
ReplyDeleteEdward Morbius You may need to revise your timescales about how long to wait for more information from Google.
ReplyDeleteThe engineers weren't expecting this either, so they'll have had to revise their priorities.
Then they need to decide what will or won't, can or can't be done by next August, and plan for that.
Then they need to decide what they WANT to say about it.
What they want to say has to be cleared by the legal department to decide what they CAN say.
I'd expect all that to take rather more than a couple of weeks. We have until next August. Imposing arbitrary short term time limits serves no purpose (and anyway, what are you going to do when Google don't meet a deadline they never agreed to?)
The announcement already says that Google will provide more information in the coming months.
ReplyDeleteBenjamin Russell Seen it, thanks. Not yet at #PlexodusWiki though.
ReplyDeleteI poked at that and found little about the site or its operators. Surface similarity alone ... isn't a big draw.
Julie Wills Answering questions or stating goals is not (directly) an engineering problem.
ReplyDeleteMeeting those goals is.
If Google tell us "We'll have importers built for Hubzilla, Twitter, and Facebook by March 2019, along with a private/public export filter, and a generic dump to Markdown + post metadata", that would be the sort of answer I'm looking for.
Google made this mess. And if they're not prepared to at least talk about general roles in the next 2-4 weeks, then we're going to be in for a very rough ride.
That itself is useful information for planning. Not welcome information, mind, but useful.
If I'm going to be driving down an unpaved desert road with no services for 400km, don't tell me that it's a lush, well-appointed, highly-served urban region. Let me plan accordingly.
The purpose for a short-but-within-reason deadline is specifically to gauge Google's responsiveness.
Among other things, Google gave all but no guidance to start planning a schedule. I basically looked at the timeline, figured that a bunch of folks would likely want to jump ship early, and the rest would want to start making moves as soon as basic information was available and calendars cleared. That's the basis of my "figure mid-late January".
October, November, and December to look at potential candidates, and suck out an initial data archive (and get familiar with that process).
By December/January, have winnowed that list down to candidates which are viable, and have thought and talked with others about their plans.
This leaves prepping the new homes (pretty easy), getting people coordinated and set up there, and then spending some Big Time wrestling with the migrated data. I've got a sense of how long that takes because I'm still in the middle of 2-3 such migrations now, one of which is two years old.
And that's with data that aren't burdened with privacy scope.
Google are dumping ... some millions (single digits? tens? hundreds?) onto whatever platforms they chose to move to, and have sort of crossed fingers that this won't be the Biggest Digital Outing since ... well, probably late last week, but still not good.
And if Google aren't already thinking about this, they should start really soon now.
Actually, the worst thing would be to discover that someone like Andreas Schou is holed up in a meeting room somewhere in the Plex with estimates and plans and engineering and marketing specs and whatnot and the whole damned problem is landing on his shoulders because ... somebody ... decided to axe G+ with fairly little advance thought. Not that Andy can't handle it, but he cares too damned much. Burnt himself out once already running a homeless shelter in Boise. He's a good guy, but sometimes that's a liability.
So if I can cause enough of a stink to get him the support he needs, that's also a win.
(The above two paragraphs is all rampant speculation, mind, but I could see things moving more or less this way. And Andy's been Awfully Quiet for an Awfully Long Time. Pops up for air very rarely. A week or so before all this shit hit IIRC.)
John Phillips Everytime I see someone post a QR code, I think, How am I supposed to use my phone to take a picture of my phone? I wonder if QR codes work reflected in a mirror?
ReplyDeleteBrian Holt Hawthorne Every time I see a QR code I think "there's somebody who doesn't use this platform on their phone"
ReplyDeleteBrian Holt Hawthorne ?
ReplyDeleteG+不是巴黎倫敦大城市,但是風景宜居的夢幻莊園,就如同你的後花園!
ReplyDeleteJulie Wills I strictly access via my computers and tablets, not a phone, and I don't/won't utilize QR codes. QR codes are for machines to read, not people.
ReplyDeleteThantiK I believe you. I got the same result as you did the first couple of times I tried because I did not follow Google's official instructions to the letter for using Takeout to download everything. Carlos Sanchez in NY (I think he left G+) finally was finally able to download his G+ collection in its entirety.
ReplyDeleteI don't rember how to do it, though. I'll try again sometime before August.
Don McCollough I really wanted to use my Google+ as a social network portflolio, a mixture of LinkedIn and DeviantArt... The audience was too small, especially in my country... And GoogleMy Business was a waste of time for me. I think that Google+ had a great potential for artists and crafts people.
ReplyDeleteThantiK contact your community owners directly, and ask if they can either share a takeout of those communities with you, or if they can transfer ownership if they are no longer interested.
ReplyDeleteEdit: oh, apparently the takeout only contains metadata according to you? Ignore me then. I assumed it had the same kind of data as a regular gplus takeout...
Julie Wills ha, you and me both. The best way would be to have a qr code and the actual hyperlink and text data it contains, displayed in the post. That way you can actually click on it when you're reading the post from anywhere, or scan the QR code with your phone from your desktop if you solely want to access it from your phone. But just a QR code makes it (near-)impossible to open from your phone if you have no secondary device to scan it from.
ReplyDeletePhillip Landmeier > I geek out over any cool science.
ReplyDeleteYou probably have a different definition of "geek" than mine, which corresponds to the one listed in the Urban Dictionary (see https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Geek/Nerd+Debate); viz.:
> Geeks are different from nerds in
> the fact that they have social lives.
> However, these social lives are
> often spent pursuing some
> passion that the geek is obsessed
> with (i.e. Yu-Gi-Oh!). They spend
> all their time thinking about their
> one obsession, and play it in all of
> their free time.
This definition is very similar to that for " otaku ," which essentially means "non-technical devotee of an obsessed passion."
Edward Morbius > Surface
> similarity alone ... isn't a big
> draw.
Yes; that is the main problem with Google+ Revisited. However, if a critical number of Google+ users can be lured to the similar platform to contribute sufficient content, then that might be a start.
Conversely, one of the main issues that I have with, say, ETER9 is the fact that it superficially resembles Facebook in the structure of the UI elements, even though it is driven by an entirely different mechanic: deep-learning-based-avatars. Although the functionality seems fascinating, the superficial resemblance to Facebook makes it difficult to feel comfortable while using the site (I left Facebook because I didn't like their policy of treating users as products).
What is needed is some combination of, at minimum, the following:
* some interface that does not remind the user of a platform that that user dislikes (in my case, I dislike Facebook because of what I read about how they monitor the ratio of friend requests sent to members of the opposite gender versus those of the same gender, and raise a red flag if that ratio exceeds 80%)
* interesting content
* non-extremist (in my case, non-right-wing is desirable if possible), intelligent, curious user population
* convenient, functional UI
* convenient function for importing/exporting data
* non-profit focus
* distributed node structure, preferably with multiple easily-run backups that exchange data readily with one another with a minimum of intervention
Finding a site that satisfies some of the above criteria is not very difficult; finding one that simultaneously satisfies all of them, however, seems to be another question.
I think for most of the communities and friends I have we are back and forth. We still would rather our Google+ but we are trying to get used to mostly MeWe.
ReplyDeleteJohn Phillips You posted a QR code. I’m sitting here looking at it on my phone and saying, “What am I supposed to do with a QR code displayed on my phone?”
ReplyDeleteI love G+ as much as Facebook, but after this, I'm not trusting Google or any other small social site like MeWe, Pluspora, etc. because I know they'll probably die in a few years (like many other sites) and I'll lose everything I posted there. I'l stick with FB, Instagram and Twitter when I feel like reading a post from someone.
ReplyDeleteThe shutting down of G+ is the worst thing that has happened to me since I started to use internet in 2005.
I loved G+ because it's like a ghost town where I could post whatever I liked without having here any of the hundreds of family members and real life friends that I have. When I want to connect with them, I login to FB, which I do daily. But G+ was for when I wanted to be alone with my cyber friends and talk about anything I wanted, usually in communities.
Brian Holt Hawthorne do you not have a qr code reader?
ReplyDeleteJohn Phillips It's tricky to get the phone to look at a QR code when it's being displayed on the phone.
ReplyDeleteQR codes are great on pieces of paper (posters etc), but actual links that you can click on work better on phones and computers.
Granted, with Google Assistant and the phrase "What's on my screen?" you can fairly easily get the link out of the QR code, but that's assuming people use that, and it's still more cumbersome than just clicking on link.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Julie that QR codes are more suitable for offline/print use, or to get data from a second screen into a mobile app.
It's a workflow issue that MeWe apparently didn't put enough thought in, as you're not the only one I've seen sharing a QR code without link.
John Phillips What Julie Wills said. Now, if that QR code had been a link, all I would have had to do was tap on it. A link on my computer I could just click on.
ReplyDeleteHave we beat to death QR Codes yet?
ReplyDeleteJohn Lewis: A "no QR codes" policy perhaps?
#JustLinkIt
We don't need QR codes in this forum online. [edited]
ReplyDeleteJohn Lewis Well, there are of course exceptions to that. For instance, the mobile Alternate/Augmented Reality Game "Pokemon GO" allows you to add friends either by manually typing in their 3x4 digit friend code, or by scanning a QR code that consists solely of that number. In such cases, it could make sense to also share your PoGO profile's QR code on for instance your website, or in a social media post so it can be scanned from within the actual app. However, also including the actual code for copy-pasting in the app in case the recipient is already on mobile, would still be useful.
ReplyDeleteAnyway, in the case of this community, I wholeheartedly agree though.