I recently joined Youme.social and had some basic questions I wanted answered.
To my delight, +Jamez Frondeskias replied and fully put my mind at ease as to what Youme is, what it hopes to become, and how it will function.
I will add, that out of all the sites I've investigated, this one looks and functions the most like G+.
Do also note, YouMe is a startup, but a startup with a bright future. It is doing a lot of things right!
It'll be a member driven site with the hopes many check it out and contribute with helping it succeed.
In all, the site sells itself as a viable G+ alternative.
Read the Q&A between myself and Jamez, then after read the features I found Youme.social supports.
Q&A with Jamez Frondeskias
Apologies for the delay. Took some time to write while dealing with important messages from members.
Hopefully have answered sufficiently. However if you need more information, let me know
1. How is this site currently funded, and how will it be scaled in the future?
Who owns this site?
The site is funded exclusively by myself who is also the sole owner. I have a 6 digit figure allocated explicitly for YouMe – money that will be used for the site's development. IF I require additional funds in the future, I do have avenues from which to obtain backing without breaking my commitment to member privacy. I can't divulge much more than this at present.
2. Where do you see this community in 1yr, 2yrs...5yrs concerning membership?
I started YouMe in early December. I asked a small group of Google+ers I trusted to test it out, and then did what is basically a soft launch last week. It is a cautious approach as the site needs to be basically “bug free” before doing a hard launch. Nothing annoys new members with “oh, its full of problems”. Those that have joined so far, I am thankful for sticking with me as these little bugs are sorted out.
Where do I want to see this community in 1/ 2/ 5 years' time. I'll through some figures around but please don't hold them against me. Ideally would love to see around 10,000 before the end of 2019 as this is a sizeable community without being 'lost' in the crowd of masses. This is especially true for YouMe as its evolution will be predominantly driven by the members. More on that later.
Future membership – would love to see it grow steadily and to be considered as one of the top 10 social sites. Whether that happens, will depend on the site's performance and features, and the members' involvement both in content and development of the site.
3. As the site grows, is there enough technical proficiency available to keep it running...so quick fix for glitches, and so on?
I myself am not a very technical person when it comes to maintaining sites like this from the back end. I have run websites in the past, including a reasonably successful privately owned one in Australia. Technical expertise exists with the developers who will continue to do the maintenance and development for me.
4. Is there a time/cut off point if it doesn't meet expected numbers that it may be shut down?
Obviously yes as any site or business has. I quoted figures in the second question, however those figures are not the “cut off and ditch the site” figures. From my personal perspective, if the site has active users who participate and share content, then it will be continued to be maintained. My ambition is not to become another Mark Zucherberg or Google. So in a nutshell, it will depend on member involvement.
5. Is/will privacy be an issue?
YouMe is based in the European Union as am I – in Greece in fact. The servers are based in London UK. I am an Australian who moved to Greece. I mention all this because both Australia and the EU have strict privacy laws in place, and have grown up expecting my privacy to be protected. The EU has, as you may know, its General Data Protection Regulation [GDPR] which is the world's strongest privacy regulation.
YouMe was set up with privacy in mind, not only because of the above but also because I personally have been stung by privacy breaches at that 'other' site – and not Google+ in case you are wondering. Its not a nice feeling and don't want anyone else to go through that.
As you may or may not have noticed, whenever someone raises a problem that is happening to them and its not visible from my end, I ask them if I can go into the back end and see what they are seeing. If they say “no”, then I will look at alternatives like screendumps. But so far, no one has said “no, you can't go in as me and look”.
The issue of the initial registration email included one's password. For me, that is not an issue for when you register, you receive the email within seconds or so, and you are waiting for it. Yet some people didn't like the idea, and all new registrants now receive the email without the password.
The balance between privacy and legal obligations is a touchy and tough one. Some people object to giving their date of birth when registering, however in some countries that information is obligatory to obtain. We all need to adhere to the law as we are a globally accessible site. So everyone needs to enter a date of birth - no exceptions - and must be 13 years old or older.
6. What future plans for improving the site are on the horizon?
YouMe is continually improving. When the soft launch was done, I opened up a topic called “improvements to YouMe Social” so members can have their input in how the site develops and also to identify any issues. Even now, something as basic as the colour scheme is being raised with the members. I removed the right hand column based on member feedback.
For the record, there are over 30 different suggestions submitted to the topic and to me via messenger. These suggestions are on the list to consider.
7. If membership grew exponentially, can the site handle it?
Yes. The developers have promised that it can handle hundreds of thousands of members without any issues. If needed,I will migrate the site to another hosting company which, for the record, must have their servers in the EU. Worse case scenario, will have a new site built that can can handle the load IF this one can't.
8. Is there an identity you want to promote for the site...so...interest based vs simply a social site to share pics of your dinner.
I'll quickly mention from my limited exposure, I see it picking up where G+ ends. So, yes, interest based along with options for other things.
Thus, what is the value proposition for YouMe.social?
Don't know about you but am sick of continually seeing peoples' dinners, their nights out partying, their continual posting of cats etc. There's a site for that and its called Facebook. Not that I would object if that's what people want to post, however would really like to see conversations like those that I had on Google+ … you know, post something and people talk about it.
I was one of the original people to go onto Google+ and am going to miss it, thus why am trying to have YouMe look and feel like the old place. To encourage Google+ers to join and continue the discussions here and to find a new home.
9. Will there always be a forum/group etc for member suggestions/complaints?
How much input will members realistically have over the direction of YouMe.social?
Yes there will be a specific group set up for member suggestions and issues. If they prefer NOT to publicly post them, they are always welcome to message me personally.
i want YouMe to be primarily driven by the members within reason. And by that I mean, if we get flooded by people who want to see the site move towards e.g., science posts or religion etc ... then I will say "no, its for all different topics, not just select ones".
Something I have already shared on YouMe, with advertising on the site for example. Anyone approaching YouMe and asking if they advertise, there are certain steps that will happen - and one of them is YouMe informing its member as what information that advertiser is going to access.
https://www.youme.social/topics/view/7/youme-and-your-privacy
10. What limits are put on members concerning free expression/speech?
How will this be determined?
The limits are basically no porn [all kinds], no illegal content [e.g., selling firearms or drugs etc] and no hate speech. For porn, its basically Strike 1 and you are out. Not going to tolerate that. Anyone who wants to distribute porn, there are plenty of sites that cater for that – and YouMe isn't one of them.
Note that IF anyone posts child porn, their details will be submitted to Europol – no questions asked. I don't care what their excuse is, that to me is a huge NO-NO!
Content review? Not that you raised it, however this is already on my mind. My intention is to have a select group of trusted volunteers who will review any highlighted content, especially when it involves hate speech.
11. Concerning any number of issues...from the business model, to marketing/sales, is there a plan yet with how to go about this?
Yes there is but nothing I wish to discuss publicly.
12. Is YouMe.social able to identify and implement new technologies?
Yes. Am already looking at something similar to Hangouts to include here, which is not part of the original design.
13. Will you keep up to date (or have someone) with what other sites are doing? By doing this, will you be open to new ideas with how to improve this site?
Yes and yes. I myself am on several of the new “replacement” sites not only for Google+ but also for Tumblr. Am also on Facebook.
There are a lot of great ideas in the other sites that I have thought “damn , thats a good idea!” and am adding them to my list.
I also have a couple of good close friends who are in various social media sites who are not only keeping me posted on whats happening there, but also fielding ideas.
Some basic features of Youme.social:
- Double streaming post interface like G+
- Any length OP and comments.
- Bolding of text for easier reading once submitted.
- Easy to use interface
- Privacy, but you control settings for sharing ( I haven't gotten this far yet so more testing needed).
- some emojis
- like and dislike options
- Notifications
- Supports groups, blogs, vids. (Polls TBA)
- Editing comments needs work as the box presented for editing is smaller than the comment box itself, thus the text isn't aligned the same way.
- Easy sign up options with fb, G+, and email.
Go check it out yourself:
https://youme.social/
+https://plus.google.com/u/0/+JamezFrondeskias
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Christian Nalletamby Know how I tag him here?
ReplyDeleteCan't say that Australia still is a country I would name as having strict privacy laws in place, since they passed a bill that basically cripples encryption: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-australia-security-data/australia-passes-bill-to-force-tech-firms-to-hand-over-encrypted-data-idUSKBN1O42SR
ReplyDeletereuters.com - Australia passes bill to force tech firms to hand over encrypted data
I REALLY like this.
ReplyDeletemainly for non Americans..
ReplyDeletenobody unfortunately is giving the option of full creative collections like G+ gave which is something it's going to be extremely missed by many
Filip H.F. Slagter He’s not in Australia and neither are the youme servers.
ReplyDeleteGood
ReplyDeleteLinda Tewes sure, but I mention it because "[he mentioned] all this because both Australia and the EU have strict privacy laws in place"; I'm merely refuting his claim about Australia's laws due to recent developments.
ReplyDeleteCristian Motoiu It's not in good taste to advertise another site on a post dealing with a specific site.
ReplyDeleteI'll leave it to the mods to consider removing. Let me know.
I am not sure about the TOS especially for writers of Photographers. Is this normal?
ReplyDeleteYour Content
In these Website Standard Terms and Conditions, "Your Content" shall mean any audio, video text, images or other material you choose to display on this Website. By displaying Your Content, you grant YouMe Social a non-exclusive, worldwide irrevocable, sub licensable license to use, reproduce, adapt, publish, translate and distribute it in any and all media.
Marcus Burggraf I'm simply a member of the site who conducted an interview.
ReplyDeleteI can't tag Jamez here, but made him aware I posted.
Give him time to find the post.
Jamez Frondeskias, al m tried to tag you here.
ReplyDeleteCristian Motoiu Please make your own post, and explain pros and cons of it.
ReplyDeleteWe try to be balanced and give the most adequate info for each.
Thanks.
(BTW, It has certainly been already posted).
Marcus Burggraf - check now
ReplyDeleteJamez Frondeskias I will later today. Curious, did you have a lawyer check it? I applaud you swift response.
ReplyDeleteMarcus Burggraf yes but it is a standard TOS.
ReplyDeleteJamez Frondeskias I still see it unchanged. There is also this:
ReplyDeleteVariation of Terms
YouMe Social is permitted to revise these Terms at any time as it sees fit, and by using this Website you are expected to review these Terms on a regular basis.
Not a lawyer but from a customer point of view that's really bad.
Marcus Burggraf give me a few minutes
ReplyDeleteNo worries, thanks for being responsive at all.
ReplyDeleteMarcus Burggraf just off the phone from my lawyer. Nice discussion. He is going through it with a fine tooth comb and also having a chat to his assistant who wrote them.
ReplyDeleteFeedback is always welcome and if you find anything else, please let me know.
Thank you very much. Well I am unsure of the meaning of this one.
ReplyDeleteAssignment
The YouMe Social is allowed to assign, transfer, and subcontract its rights and/or obligations under these Terms without any notification. However, you are not allowed to assign, transfer, or subcontract any of your rights and/or obligations under these Terms.
As I understand it you could sell YouMe to a data mining farm or subcontract things to them without the users knowing. Don't think that jives with European data protection laws.
So I went a step forward and tried to register but an avatar is required? Why?
ReplyDeleteMarcus Burggraf absoltuely not! YouMe will never sell your data. I have stated this numerous times.
ReplyDeleteYou are really need to stop jumping to conclusions.
Avatars. Yes. It is required. Its to separate differentiate profiles that many have the same name .
Thanks Jamez. I just try to understand what these terms mean. I think it's a good thing you try to start here and I want to support it. Just finding stumbling blocks is all. I am not saying you would do such a thing but that it's possible. You may not want to do so now but what when the money runs out or in a few years you are hit by financial hardships. I want to be able to make an informed decision and for that I need to somewhat grasp what the terms mean. Thank you again for being so responsive and approachable, it's a huge plus already.
ReplyDeleteAll good. Just so you know, a few years ago that "other" site decided to use people's profiles to be used to promote the apps it had on their site. Even if you were checking out the app and decided it wasn't want you thought it was .. eg., games, dating, etc
ReplyDeleteThat "other" side gave those providers access to the members' profiles and I started seeing my face promoting apps that I simply checked out and left.
Imagine logging in one day and seeing your face and name plastered across that app's advertising!
The moral to that is that the site concerned believed it could do what it liked.
YouMe isn't like that. From the very outset, I as the owner, have made it quite clear ..... personal data is owned by one person - the owner of that data. I.e. you. Not the site not me nor any third party.
Even if down the track I do allow advertising on the site, there will be strict guidelines as to what can and can't be obtained. AND in addition to that [and advertisers may not like it], members will be informed by me as to what data the advertiser will collect.
This might help you understand where YouMe is coming from re privacy.
youme.social - YouMe and Your Privacy
Marcus Burggraf I see an avatar (any image you own, doesn't have to be your face - my first avatar was a mountain) as a courtesy to (visual) readers so they immediately recognise 'you'. Also some people have multiple profiles - gamer, hiker, chef??
ReplyDeleteA blue head or whatever leaves a first impression of
- either new and still finding out how it works
- or doesn't care about readers, I know who I am.
Oh first stumbling block - no public content unless I login?
ReplyDeleteSo the posts won't be searchable.
Diana Studer Totally understood. I was just on my mobile and found it irritating as I don't have access to my avatar there. And the site doesn't make use of gravatar.
ReplyDeleteJamez Frondeskias might you enable Gravatar?
ReplyDelete(for people used to commenting on Wordpress sites)
Diana Studer will look at Gravatar as an option.
ReplyDeleteTopics - yes, these are similar to Google's Collections J P Sousa Paula
Diana Studer So far, direct post URLs are public and all page s are robot:follow so they should be search engine crawlable, I suspect it's closed/limited because it's still beta.
ReplyDeleteIt s so G+ like and the only one I've fallen in love with on first sight/test,
post by Founder: https://youme.social/users/view/1/activity_id:851
all posts by me: Me: https://youme.social/-Douglas
Jamez Frondeskias You are not off to a good start if you tell potential customers/users to "stop jumping to conclusions."
ReplyDeleteIt doesn't really matter how many times you say on some post that YouMe will never sell [our] data. If it isn't in the Terms and Service, your claim doesn't really hold water.
So you're using moosocial.com - mooSocial - PHP Social Network Script for the back-end. How much tweaking did you need to do to the CakePHP to make it smooth enough for your beta users?
ReplyDeleteJamez Frondeskias I have read about your new social site with great interest. But matters relating to the financing of the service in the future I find very important. If I understand it, you have a financial security that allows you to start the service and maintain it for a while. But what will be the future?
ReplyDeletePlease don't get me wrong, but I'd rather avoid a disappoint – like this linked to Google+ shutdown. Social Media is an important part of our today world. We give them a lot of time. We build acquaintances and friendships. We build our own credibility. Disappearance of the next platform, would be a big loss for many of us.
Therefore, I believe that the presentation of a clear and credible business plan for YouMe is very important. As a users, we should know how this service will be funded in the future. Will it be always free, or partially free? And to what extent? Is there a possibility that we will be asked for financial support as a users? Maybe we should, in future, organize some crowdfunding action?
What about advertisements? Will they be visible on site, or in application? Or maybe there be no ads at all and never?
The UI looks a lot like Facebook combined with Google+ on the left part. Just like Mariusz Rozpędek I'm concerned about how you will keep this funded. I have more knowledge about projectatmos.space - Atmos and I'm more likely to migrate to Atmos than Youme. While Youme has a beta out already, it looks a bit rushed, and the UI looks a bit outdated. Atmos will look like Google+, but have some major differences.
ReplyDeleteDissassembledPen 666 The UI is a theme called MooPlus, a theme that emulates Google+.
ReplyDeleteDissassembledPen 666 The overall look of YouMe interface is pretty good for me :-)
ReplyDeleteI am more comfortable with YouMe's (revised) TOS, privacy, & stability than I am with a fediverse/PlusPora account on an anonymous person's pod where they may just shutdown or not pay their server bill.
ReplyDeleteDoug Tyrrell YouMe is running social media software and while I can't say for certain they are hosting from the software's provided site, it's as likely that they are subject to economic issues as any given Pod running Diaspora. There's absolutely nothing from their offering that suggests they are somehow better funded or backed than any other random social media site running someone else's social media software.
ReplyDeleteIt's a pro/con situation:
They are running commercial software where diaspora pods are running open source software.
They appear professional and so do some Pods. I can't say they own their servers and network access, but few do.
In short, I could replicate exactly what they have in about half a day so I'm not overwhelmed or impressed and neither does it dissuade me from using it.
It's equal in my mind to a pod... but I understand exactly what they did under the hood. If it looks like a magic box to other people, then they might have more confidence in it. People are strangely attracted to technology they don't understand.
I know who the owner of youme.social is. I have no idea who I'm contracting with with pluspora or how to contact them.
ReplyDeleteDoug Tyrrell That's okay - there are probably thousands of people that know how to contact the podmins of Pluspora, myself included.
ReplyDeleteI'm not a fan of Diaspora (the platform that Pluspora is on) but it is less buggy than Friendica (though, when Friendica works - and that is 99% of the time, the user experience is better than Diaspora though, initially, Diaspora is a bit simpler to grok.)
And, I am a fan of the people running Pluspora - at least at the moment :D
I've not tried any products built on MooSocial (such as YouMe.social is) but I think a lot of the arguments made against Fediverse platforms are similarly made against small business start ups like YouMe.
Issues like funding, scalability of any particular pod/server/instance, data and metadata privacy, infosec expertise et cetera.
One upside I see with Fediverse platforms is that one can theoretically export one's data so as to have backups to help with migration in the case of a shutdown.
What happens to YouMe when the entrepreneur gets bored and decides to "pivot" - or decides to sell because it isn't monetizing fast enough or cedes power to venture capitalist in order to scale up to demand only to find his investors demanding better monetization which leads to advertising or the sale of user data?
Thanks Thom, I have no dog in this fight, just looking for a good home.
ReplyDeleteDoug Tyrrell
ReplyDelete"...just looking for a good home."
As well we all are. I'm just adjusting the viewpoint a bit to be clear that YouMe is not particularly different than a Diaspora Pod, which seem implied in your previous comment.
To be clear there are advantages and disadvantages to both approaches, but please restrict your detractions of other platforms to threads about them.
Lastly, since you don't seem to know her, Di Cleverly is co-owner of the Pluspora pod and would be more than happy to make your acquaintance. She, IIRC, did an Ask Me Anything here some time ago.
Doug Tyrrell I feel you - I'm in the same boat.
ReplyDeleteI've set up temporary camp on both Friendica and Pluspora - despite minor irritations on both platforms. I'm also optimistically awaiting Openbook's beta. I've rejected MeWe (too friendly with 4chan-alt-right-Nazi types) and Hubzilla. FB and Instagram have been dead to me for years. Twitter is full of garbage users (again, fascist thugs and tru-believing libertarian zealots.)
There aren't very many more than adequate options out there.
Marcus Burggraf Yes, that is standard language used by virtually all social media sites; it grants them permission to display our content (posts, photos, comments) on their site and "distribute" it via the Web.
ReplyDeleteSusan Starks
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ReplyDeleteReading the interview, I get the impression that the founder is dangerously inexperienced in collective governance. I suspect there's a high risk of the project crashing, perhaps due to not making a profit, or worse, turning into a dysfunctional collective like Wikipedia. For these reasons, I'll be inclined to stay out, for the foreseeable future.
ReplyDeleteAlso, a tech founder proudly describing not seeing a problem with a password in an email is a bit of a red flag.
Last and least, after the Tumblr debacle, the no porn rule rubs me the wrong way. I could work with this one, but, well, after the much more serious issues I briefly mentioned above, it's not really a decision point anymore.
As a general rule of thumb, I think rich people solo-funding social media projects without developing revenue streams is a strong red flag. I'd much prefer social benefit projects to state, and work towards, some fair and reasonably considered funding model such as advertising, or subscription, or charitable donations, early on than to permanently hang on to the whims and fortunes of a single funder.
ReplyDeleteal m
ReplyDeleteGot Gmail notification on joining, from YouMe
Do we get Gmail notifications activities after, also (eg., on posting, likings etc), please?
Thanks al m
ReplyDeleteOf course, getting the summary of all notifications next day
Thanks again
When I try to sign up with G+ it says 'you cannot access this page directly' :/
ReplyDeleteAndres Soolo Not long after I conducted this Q&A i asked even more questions in private and got answers I was satisfied with.
ReplyDeleteSo much so that I consented to become part of a team with input concerning running the site.
I assure you, there is no dysfunction with management (or style) and there is a plan we are following.
Saying this, we are addressing startup type issues and are working towards providing a robust experience.
It was a bit of a nuisance G+ decided to sunset 4 months earlier than they stated, but not surprising, and we are adjusting and moving ahead, regardless.
As for funding and longevity, we are well aware of future wants/needs and will slowly build our way toward it.
Thanks so much for helping create a thread that is skeptical, yet informative with questions we all should be asking of whatever site we choose to support.
Cheers mate~!